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I'd expect multivitamins to have a strong effect on general satiety if that's true. Do they?

by ashark 9y ago

BugsJustFindMe 9y ago
I think they do for me. But that's 100% anecdotal and not even single-blinded.
metalliqaz 9y ago
This is what I was thinking, and the answer for me is no.
nfc 9y ago
In the context of this theory, if what your body is lacking is one of the vitamins you are consuming, and this way of consuming it allows for the body to use it as it needs, the answer would be yes.
sayurichick 9y ago
the problem with (all?) multi-vitamins is the absorption rates are very inefficient. This gets a bit more nuanced when you consider there are diff types of each vitamin like Magnesium Oxide. ... Magnesium Citrate. ... Magnesium Orotate. ... Magnesium Chloride. ... Magnesium Lactate. ... Magnesium Sulfate. ... Magnesium Carbonate, and you're not likely to get the best version in that multi vitamin.
- AstralStorm 9y ago
  There exist good multis, but they're quite a bit more expensive and still probably not as good as the real thing.
iaw 9y ago
I'd suspect that there is also caloric and absorption components. If you don't have calories your hunger wont be satiated because of energy needs. Vitamins don't absorb as well as nutrients found in foods (they have a low gut surface area and may not contain the easiest molecules for your body/gut to breakdown into nutrients). In my personal experience a complete protein powder (like PlantFusion products) has a strong effect on general satiety as well as health unlike vitamins.
sudojudo 9y ago
There's evidence that multivitamins are useless, and that they actually cause health problems [1]. As for OPs theory, it's strange to think of such a thing happening during an obesity epidemic, but many people do seem to be lacking basic nutrients in their diet. I'm not sure how much we can trust our own guts when it comes to seeking out nutritious foods; the majority of people go for sugar and fats when they're hungry, instead of the fruits and vegetables that contain the nutrients they're lacking. It seems our stomachs are not looking out for our best interests. [1] https://hub.jhu.edu/2013/12/17/vitamins-might-be-harmful/ https://hub.jhu.edu/2013/12/17/vitamins-might-be-harmful/
- sfeng 9y ago
  > many people do seem to be lacking basic nutrients in their diet What's the evidence of that?
  - TheSpiceIsLife 9y ago
    Chromium, for example, is essential for sugar and fat metabolism[1], and most people ingest less than 60% of the minimum daily requirement (less than 50mcg)[1]. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9380836 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9380836
  - tomsthumb 9y ago
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/22364157/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/22364157/ Note that 'required' likely means "less than the RDA" and that RDAs are often set on the basis of "having less than this much will imminently lead to some sort of dysfunction" as opposed to "the amount that actually makes your body happy".
- TheSpiceIsLife 9y ago
  What is a multivitamin other than a bunch of single nutrients in one package. We know that B12 needs to be supplemented in people who are deficient, and that medicos sometimes give B12 injections. We know that pregnant women who take folate supplements have babies with fewer neural-tube defects (spina bifid etc). We know that we need to put some B vitamins back in the flower after it's milled otherwise the psychiatric wards fill up. We know that people who ingest less than the recommended daily intake of Chromium (less than 50mcg per day) have more blood sugar disregulation[1]. So why not put these things together in one package, where and when it makes sense to do so. I'll admit that some multivitamins are badly formulated, and I actively discourage people from taking certain forms of nutrients. Eg. why does any manufacturer put iron oxide or magnesium oxide in their supplements? These things are poorly absorbed and have known negative side effects. 1. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9380836 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9380836

I'd expect multivitamins to have a strong effect on general satiety if that's true. Do they?

by ashark 9y ago

I'd expect multivitamins to have a strong effect on general satiety if that's true. Do they?

BugsJustFindMe 9y ago

I think they do for me. But that's 100% anecdotal and not even single-blinded.

metalliqaz 9y ago

This is what I was thinking, and the answer for me is no.

nfc 9y ago

In the context of this theory, if what your body is lacking is one of the vitamins you are consuming, and this way of consuming it allows for the body to use it as it needs, the answer would be yes.

sayurichick 9y ago

the problem with (all?) multi-vitamins is the absorption rates are very inefficient. This gets a bit more nuanced when you consider there are diff types of each vitamin like Magnesium Oxide. ... Magnesium Citrate. ... Magnesium Orotate. ... Magnesium Chloride. ... Magnesium Lactate. ... Magnesium Sulfate. ... Magnesium Carbonate, and you're not likely to get the best version in that multi vitamin.

AstralStorm 9y ago
There exist good multis, but they're quite a bit more expensive and still probably not as good as the real thing.

iaw 9y ago

I'd suspect that there is also caloric and absorption components. If you don't have calories your hunger wont be satiated because of energy needs. Vitamins don't absorb as well as nutrients found in foods (they have a low gut surface area and may not contain the easiest molecules for your body/gut to breakdown into nutrients). In my personal experience a complete protein powder (like PlantFusion products) has a strong effect on general satiety as well as health unlike vitamins.

sudojudo 9y ago

There's evidence that multivitamins are useless, and that they actually cause health problems [1]. As for OPs theory, it's strange to think of such a thing happening during an obesity epidemic, but many people do seem to be lacking basic nutrients in their diet. I'm not sure how much we can trust our own guts when it comes to seeking out nutritious foods; the majority of people go for sugar and fats when they're hungry, instead of the fruits and vegetables that contain the nutrients they're lacking. It seems our stomachs are not looking out for our best interests. [1] https://hub.jhu.edu/2013/12/17/vitamins-might-be-harmful/ https://hub.jhu.edu/2013/12/17/vitamins-might-be-harmful/

sfeng 9y ago
> many people do seem to be lacking basic nutrients in their diet What's the evidence of that?
- TheSpiceIsLife 9y ago
  Chromium, for example, is essential for sugar and fat metabolism[1], and most people ingest less than 60% of the minimum daily requirement (less than 50mcg)[1]. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9380836 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9380836
- tomsthumb 9y ago
  https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/22364157/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/22364157/ Note that 'required' likely means "less than the RDA" and that RDAs are often set on the basis of "having less than this much will imminently lead to some sort of dysfunction" as opposed to "the amount that actually makes your body happy".
TheSpiceIsLife 9y ago
What is a multivitamin other than a bunch of single nutrients in one package. We know that B12 needs to be supplemented in people who are deficient, and that medicos sometimes give B12 injections. We know that pregnant women who take folate supplements have babies with fewer neural-tube defects (spina bifid etc). We know that we need to put some B vitamins back in the flower after it's milled otherwise the psychiatric wards fill up. We know that people who ingest less than the recommended daily intake of Chromium (less than 50mcg per day) have more blood sugar disregulation[1]. So why not put these things together in one package, where and when it makes sense to do so. I'll admit that some multivitamins are badly formulated, and I actively discourage people from taking certain forms of nutrients. Eg. why does any manufacturer put iron oxide or magnesium oxide in their supplements? These things are poorly absorbed and have known negative side effects. 1. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9380836 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9380836