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Apple also doesn't own a search engine though, I'm reasonably certain they would have tried the same thing if they did.

tsycho 9y ago
I agree. iOS doesn't let you change the default browser or the default maps app for instance since they have a competing product.
bad_user 9y ago
Google's Android allows for both changing the default browser, which can be actual Firefox and the default search engine. It also allows users to enable third party app stores. This hasn't lessened their grip on the market at all, Android now dominates the mobile scene and Google keeps tight control. So I just don't get Apple and Microsoft.
- kuschku 9y ago
  Google doesn’t allow changing the location provider, push notification provider, etc. Google has a MASSIVE advantage over what competing services can do on Android – trust me, I’ve tried to replace them with FLOSS ones without rooting.
- ApolloFortyNine 9y ago
  What drives me crazy is they still have to deal with anti-trust investigations in the EU because they require that some apps at least be on the device to begin with. The user can do whatever they want afterwards. The user can even install there own app store. Meanwhile here's Apple, the only apps that can be installed have to come from the App store (where Apple gets their 30% cut).
  - kbwt 9y ago
    It's because the only accepted way to distribute software for Android is through the Google Play store, outside of China. Many companies even distribute their internal tools over the Play store. You can't expect normal users to go find some arcane setting and accept security warnings in order to enable standalone APK installation. Incidentally, the option is hidden in completely different submenus depending on Android version and customizations by the manufacturer. The developer agreement for the Play store even comes with an "anti-competition clause," explicitly forbidding anyone from distributing software that could compete with Google's app distribution business. Unless you do it outside the Play store, in which case you have yourself a bit of a chicken-and-egg problem.
    - ApolloFortyNine 9y ago
      Except there are other ways. With Apple, there are no ways, yet the antitrust case the EU is trying to build is against Google, not Apple. If you try to install an app without unknown sources, you receive a notification telling you where to turn enable installation, if you desire. It's not nearly as complicated as you're making it out to be. As for the security warnings, it is a security risk to install apps from unknown publishers. It's extremely similar to what Microsoft does when you try to install an unknown exe.

I agree. iOS doesn't let you change the default browser or the default maps app for instance since they have a competing product.

bad_user 9y ago

Google's Android allows for both changing the default browser, which can be actual Firefox and the default search engine. It also allows users to enable third party app stores. This hasn't lessened their grip on the market at all, Android now dominates the mobile scene and Google keeps tight control. So I just don't get Apple and Microsoft.

kuschku 9y ago
Google doesn’t allow changing the location provider, push notification provider, etc. Google has a MASSIVE advantage over what competing services can do on Android – trust me, I’ve tried to replace them with FLOSS ones without rooting.
ApolloFortyNine 9y ago
What drives me crazy is they still have to deal with anti-trust investigations in the EU because they require that some apps at least be on the device to begin with. The user can do whatever they want afterwards. The user can even install there own app store. Meanwhile here's Apple, the only apps that can be installed have to come from the App store (where Apple gets their 30% cut).
- kbwt 9y ago
  It's because the only accepted way to distribute software for Android is through the Google Play store, outside of China. Many companies even distribute their internal tools over the Play store. You can't expect normal users to go find some arcane setting and accept security warnings in order to enable standalone APK installation. Incidentally, the option is hidden in completely different submenus depending on Android version and customizations by the manufacturer. The developer agreement for the Play store even comes with an "anti-competition clause," explicitly forbidding anyone from distributing software that could compete with Google's app distribution business. Unless you do it outside the Play store, in which case you have yourself a bit of a chicken-and-egg problem.
  - ApolloFortyNine 9y ago
    Except there are other ways. With Apple, there are no ways, yet the antitrust case the EU is trying to build is against Google, not Apple. If you try to install an app without unknown sources, you receive a notification telling you where to turn enable installation, if you desire. It's not nearly as complicated as you're making it out to be. As for the security warnings, it is a security risk to install apps from unknown publishers. It's extremely similar to what Microsoft does when you try to install an unknown exe.