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> the US simply seems culturally incapable of healthy approaches to easing kids through becoming adults on a number of dimensions I couldn't agree more, and nu

by delecti 10y ago

> the US simply seems culturally incapable of healthy approaches to easing kids through becoming adults on a number of dimensions I couldn't agree more, and numerous problems are pretty much a direct result.

VLM 10y ago
What we see as problems, the folks in charge see as profits.
dsfyu404ed 10y ago
You could say the same thing about Europe, the resulting problems are just different. The grass is always greener...
- ASalazarMX 10y ago
  ... on your own lawn?
- mijoharas 10y ago
  How so?
Someone1234 10y ago
The worst part is that teaching kids about alcohol safely at home, European style, is ILLEGAL in much of the US, meaning that social services might come take your kids if they discover you gave them a glass of wine at Christmas. I grew up in Europe. I was planning on letting my kid try a small glass of wine with food in their early teens. But doing so in the US, I actually risk jail and loss of parental custody. Let that sink in... The US has a really unhealthy attitude towards alcohol that results in binge drinking and excess in college, and society here almost prefers it that way which is depressing. PS - I know many parents ignore these laws, but the point remains, the law makes no exception for parental consent or at home.
- sotojuan 10y ago
  It boggles my mind that outside my small social bubble, people around my age (23) spend their whole weekends drunk. I'm not out to stop them and I accept their choices, but I wonder if it's also a result of our alcohol culture. Most people can't seem to enjoy just one or two beers.
  - asdfGUYasdfn 10y ago
    Never had an Imperial Malt 40oz have you .. and tried to code your CS project at 2AM on a Sunday, I see.
  - throwaway18917 10y ago
    I'd rather be drunk with them than hang out with you and risk falling off that high horse.
- malnourish 10y ago
  In Wisconsin, at least: > Can an underage person possess and consume alcohol beverages on licensed premises? > Yes. Persons under age 21 may possess and consume alcohol beverages if they are with their parents, guardians or spouses of legal drinking age; but this is at the discretion of the licensee. The licensed premise may choose to prohibit consumption and possession of alcohol beverages by underage persons. https://www.revenue.wi.gov/Pages/FAQS/ise-atundrg.aspx https://www.revenue.wi.gov/Pages/FAQS/ise-atundrg.aspx
  - Someone1234 10y ago
    This site has a good summary[0] of Wisconsin, and in general I think Wisconsin's drinking laws are very sane. But contrast it with Utah[1], Arizona[2], Kansas[3], North Dakota[4], Tennessee, Alabama, Florida, North Carolina, Tennessee, Indiana, West Virginia, Pennsylvania or Vermont. [0] https://alcoholpolicy.niaaa.nih.gov/APIS_State_Profile.html?state=WI https://alcoholpolicy.niaaa.nih.gov/APIS_State_Profile.html?... [1] https://alcoholpolicy.niaaa.nih.gov/APIS_State_Profile.html?state=UT https://alcoholpolicy.niaaa.nih.gov/APIS_State_Profile.html?... [2] https://alcoholpolicy.niaaa.nih.gov/APIS_State_Profile.html?state=AZ https://alcoholpolicy.niaaa.nih.gov/APIS_State_Profile.html?... [3] https://alcoholpolicy.niaaa.nih.gov/APIS_State_Profile.html?state=KS https://alcoholpolicy.niaaa.nih.gov/APIS_State_Profile.html?... [4] https://alcoholpolicy.niaaa.nih.gov/APIS_State_Profile.html?state=ND https://alcoholpolicy.niaaa.nih.gov/APIS_State_Profile.html?...

by delecti 10y ago

VLM 10y ago

What we see as problems, the folks in charge see as profits.

dsfyu404ed 10y ago

You could say the same thing about Europe, the resulting problems are just different. The grass is always greener...

ASalazarMX 10y ago
... on your own lawn?
mijoharas 10y ago
How so?

Someone1234 10y ago

The worst part is that teaching kids about alcohol safely at home, European style, is ILLEGAL in much of the US, meaning that social services might come take your kids if they discover you gave them a glass of wine at Christmas. I grew up in Europe. I was planning on letting my kid try a small glass of wine with food in their early teens. But doing so in the US, I actually risk jail and loss of parental custody. Let that sink in... The US has a really unhealthy attitude towards alcohol that results in binge drinking and excess in college, and society here almost prefers it that way which is depressing. PS - I know many parents ignore these laws, but the point remains, the law makes no exception for parental consent or at home.

sotojuan 10y ago
It boggles my mind that outside my small social bubble, people around my age (23) spend their whole weekends drunk. I'm not out to stop them and I accept their choices, but I wonder if it's also a result of our alcohol culture. Most people can't seem to enjoy just one or two beers.
- asdfGUYasdfn 10y ago
  Never had an Imperial Malt 40oz have you .. and tried to code your CS project at 2AM on a Sunday, I see.
- throwaway18917 10y ago
  I'd rather be drunk with them than hang out with you and risk falling off that high horse.
malnourish 10y ago
In Wisconsin, at least: > Can an underage person possess and consume alcohol beverages on licensed premises? > Yes. Persons under age 21 may possess and consume alcohol beverages if they are with their parents, guardians or spouses of legal drinking age; but this is at the discretion of the licensee. The licensed premise may choose to prohibit consumption and possession of alcohol beverages by underage persons. https://www.revenue.wi.gov/Pages/FAQS/ise-atundrg.aspx https://www.revenue.wi.gov/Pages/FAQS/ise-atundrg.aspx
- Someone1234 10y ago
  This site has a good summary[0] of Wisconsin, and in general I think Wisconsin's drinking laws are very sane. But contrast it with Utah[1], Arizona[2], Kansas[3], North Dakota[4], Tennessee, Alabama, Florida, North Carolina, Tennessee, Indiana, West Virginia, Pennsylvania or Vermont. [0] https://alcoholpolicy.niaaa.nih.gov/APIS_State_Profile.html?state=WI https://alcoholpolicy.niaaa.nih.gov/APIS_State_Profile.html?... [1] https://alcoholpolicy.niaaa.nih.gov/APIS_State_Profile.html?state=UT https://alcoholpolicy.niaaa.nih.gov/APIS_State_Profile.html?... [2] https://alcoholpolicy.niaaa.nih.gov/APIS_State_Profile.html?state=AZ https://alcoholpolicy.niaaa.nih.gov/APIS_State_Profile.html?... [3] https://alcoholpolicy.niaaa.nih.gov/APIS_State_Profile.html?state=KS https://alcoholpolicy.niaaa.nih.gov/APIS_State_Profile.html?... [4] https://alcoholpolicy.niaaa.nih.gov/APIS_State_Profile.html?state=ND https://alcoholpolicy.niaaa.nih.gov/APIS_State_Profile.html?...