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What other country went from 0-super power in such a short time? While it isn't necessarily the BEST or RIGHT or anything like that, I think it's pretty straig

by count 16y ago

What other country went from 0-super power in such a short time? While it isn't necessarily the BEST or RIGHT or anything like that, I think it's pretty straight forward to claim the U.S. is 'special'.

eru 16y ago
> What other country went from 0-super power in such a short time? Maybe that's a point. Though, here are some other examples of possible quick rises: Germany past 1971-unification? France after the Revolution shaked up the the country and dragged it kicking-and-screaming into the century of the fruitbat? Japan after its defeat in WWII. And of course, if only rise to super power counts, look at Britain and how they started the original industrial revolution there. (Though, what counts as "short time"?)
yread 16y ago
I would say that the rise from 0 to super power was definitely fastest in Soviet Russia - look at the difference between 1921 and 1945. ...and why is that a reason to read the constitution, again?
- eru 16y ago
  Though some of the damage born around 1921 was self-inflicted.
- count 16y ago
  Soviet Russia was a change in government from Tzarist Russia, which was already a Big Deal in the world, not a 0 to Super Power transition. And I wasn't suggesting it was a reason to read the constitution, I was suggesting that the United States is, in fact, special. I believe the OP was referencing the Declaration of Independence, not the Constitution. Maybe it's my jaded, indoctrinated US education, but is the US Declaration of Independence not a unique document, and special on it's own? At least in our (admittedly biased) educational curriculum, it ranks up there with the Magna Carta as an important political document.
  - eru 16y ago
    We did not talk about the Magna Carta at all in school (as far as I remember), but then, I have a biased German education. The founding of the US paralleled the earlier founding of the Netherlands. Both fought for independence from a foreign monarchy and were founded at republics. The Dutch also embraced capitalism and a pursuit of happiness. They might not have been as individualistic as the Americans are usually seen as, but the Americans had a very community-minded side to them, too. See also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_Republic#History http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_Republic#History: "From an economic perspective, the Republic of the United Provinces completely outperformed all expectations; it was a surprise to many that a nation not based on the church or on a single royal leader could be so successful. This period is known in the Netherlands as the Golden Age. The Dutch dominated world trade in the 17th century, conquering a vast colonial empire and operating the largest fleet of merchantmen of all western nations. The County of Holland was the wealthiest and most urbanized region of Europe."
    - count 16y ago
      Interesting - I don't think we covered even a tiny bit of Dutch Independence in school. They were just 'there', rocking out with their international trade and huge market place.
arethuza 16y ago
What about the Mongols under Genghis Khan? The UK in the 19th century?
- count 16y ago
  The UK is a composite of countries that have been around for a very long time (mostly). They were a super power when the US was formed, for example.

by count 16y ago

eru 16y ago

> What other country went from 0-super power in such a short time? Maybe that's a point. Though, here are some other examples of possible quick rises: Germany past 1971-unification? France after the Revolution shaked up the the country and dragged it kicking-and-screaming into the century of the fruitbat? Japan after its defeat in WWII. And of course, if only rise to super power counts, look at Britain and how they started the original industrial revolution there. (Though, what counts as "short time"?)

yread 16y ago

I would say that the rise from 0 to super power was definitely fastest in Soviet Russia - look at the difference between 1921 and 1945. ...and why is that a reason to read the constitution, again?

eru 16y ago
Though some of the damage born around 1921 was self-inflicted.
count 16y ago
Soviet Russia was a change in government from Tzarist Russia, which was already a Big Deal in the world, not a 0 to Super Power transition. And I wasn't suggesting it was a reason to read the constitution, I was suggesting that the United States is, in fact, special. I believe the OP was referencing the Declaration of Independence, not the Constitution. Maybe it's my jaded, indoctrinated US education, but is the US Declaration of Independence not a unique document, and special on it's own? At least in our (admittedly biased) educational curriculum, it ranks up there with the Magna Carta as an important political document.
- eru 16y ago
  We did not talk about the Magna Carta at all in school (as far as I remember), but then, I have a biased German education. The founding of the US paralleled the earlier founding of the Netherlands. Both fought for independence from a foreign monarchy and were founded at republics. The Dutch also embraced capitalism and a pursuit of happiness. They might not have been as individualistic as the Americans are usually seen as, but the Americans had a very community-minded side to them, too. See also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_Republic#History http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_Republic#History: "From an economic perspective, the Republic of the United Provinces completely outperformed all expectations; it was a surprise to many that a nation not based on the church or on a single royal leader could be so successful. This period is known in the Netherlands as the Golden Age. The Dutch dominated world trade in the 17th century, conquering a vast colonial empire and operating the largest fleet of merchantmen of all western nations. The County of Holland was the wealthiest and most urbanized region of Europe."
  - count 16y ago
    Interesting - I don't think we covered even a tiny bit of Dutch Independence in school. They were just 'there', rocking out with their international trade and huge market place.

arethuza 16y ago

What about the Mongols under Genghis Khan? The UK in the 19th century?

count 16y ago
The UK is a composite of countries that have been around for a very long time (mostly). They were a super power when the US was formed, for example.