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> The current US border control security climate dates since the Obama Administration. That is demonstrably and absolutely false.

dx034 9y ago
Then Bush? Because most of what Trump tried to change in terms of border security has been sacked by judges. Travelling to the US now isn't harder than a year ago (except for the laptop ban).
- pyvpx 9y ago
  it is vastly different and more difficult because of the way border agents are performing their job, not because of any change in law.
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Canada 9y ago
Yeah, travel to and inside the US really started to suck during the first term of the GWB administration.
- bluejekyll 9y ago
  To point out the obvious, that was when 9/11 happened. Most of this stuff is a reaction to that, and it still lingers.
- sandworm101 9y ago
  I was on a student visa during GWB. It was bad. All my mail from home arrived opened and resealed with DHS-labeled tape. Boarder crossings were interesting, but nowhere near those when i lived in the middle east. My favorite thing was being seated beside someone who was clearly an air marshal.... armed but asleep on the aisle seat of my row.
betaby 9y ago
I let you support your vocal 'false' with data. As for Canadians in Trump era: 'Refusals of Canadians at American land crossings dropped 8.5 per cent between October and the end of February compared with the same five-month period a year earlier, according to U.S. government statistics. The total number of Canadian travellers denied entry also dropped: 6,875 out of 12,991,027 were refused entry, a refusal rate of 0.05 per cent. Between October 2015 and February 2016, 7,619 out of 13,173,100 Canadian travellers were denied entry to the U.S., a refusal rate of 0.06 per cent.' http://www.macleans.ca/news/number-of-canadians-turned-away-at-u-s-border-drops-post-trump/ http://www.macleans.ca/news/number-of-canadians-turned-away-...
- birdline 9y ago
  Trump didn't become president until January 20th. That time period is still primarily the Obama era. It will be more relevant to see the numbers from February - June.
  - betaby 9y ago
    Most recent stats are for February and from the link CAN -> US travels are up 7.2% compared with February 2016 http://www.statcan.gc.ca/daily-quotidien/170420/dq170420b-eng.htm http://www.statcan.gc.ca/daily-quotidien/170420/dq170420b-en... June stats will be released 18-Aug
- sandworm101 9y ago
  And how much of that is because brown/muslim canadians, the ones most likely to be refused, just arent risking the trip? All sorts of groups are saying it is too dangerous (schools, boy/girl scouts etc).

dx034 9y ago

Then Bush? Because most of what Trump tried to change in terms of border security has been sacked by judges. Travelling to the US now isn't harder than a year ago (except for the laptop ban).

pyvpx 9y ago
it is vastly different and more difficult because of the way border agents are performing their job, not because of any change in law.
- deleted 9y ago
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Canada 9y ago

Yeah, travel to and inside the US really started to suck during the first term of the GWB administration.

bluejekyll 9y ago
To point out the obvious, that was when 9/11 happened. Most of this stuff is a reaction to that, and it still lingers.
sandworm101 9y ago
I was on a student visa during GWB. It was bad. All my mail from home arrived opened and resealed with DHS-labeled tape. Boarder crossings were interesting, but nowhere near those when i lived in the middle east. My favorite thing was being seated beside someone who was clearly an air marshal.... armed but asleep on the aisle seat of my row.

betaby 9y ago

I let you support your vocal 'false' with data. As for Canadians in Trump era: 'Refusals of Canadians at American land crossings dropped 8.5 per cent between October and the end of February compared with the same five-month period a year earlier, according to U.S. government statistics. The total number of Canadian travellers denied entry also dropped: 6,875 out of 12,991,027 were refused entry, a refusal rate of 0.05 per cent. Between October 2015 and February 2016, 7,619 out of 13,173,100 Canadian travellers were denied entry to the U.S., a refusal rate of 0.06 per cent.' http://www.macleans.ca/news/number-of-canadians-turned-away-at-u-s-border-drops-post-trump/ http://www.macleans.ca/news/number-of-canadians-turned-away-...

birdline 9y ago
Trump didn't become president until January 20th. That time period is still primarily the Obama era. It will be more relevant to see the numbers from February - June.
- betaby 9y ago
  Most recent stats are for February and from the link CAN -> US travels are up 7.2% compared with February 2016 http://www.statcan.gc.ca/daily-quotidien/170420/dq170420b-eng.htm http://www.statcan.gc.ca/daily-quotidien/170420/dq170420b-en... June stats will be released 18-Aug
sandworm101 9y ago
And how much of that is because brown/muslim canadians, the ones most likely to be refused, just arent risking the trip? All sorts of groups are saying it is too dangerous (schools, boy/girl scouts etc).