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So what happens when they ask for my Facebook, Twitter, Snapchat logins and I do not have accounts with these companies? If a simple "I don't have social media

So what happens when they ask for my Facebook, Twitter, Snapchat logins and I do not have accounts with these companies? If a simple "I don't have social media accounts" is acceptable then I'm not sure why they even ask for passwords. Proving a negative is very hard.

HappyTypist 10y ago
They keep it in record and in the future if they ever found out you lied, you can be jailed for 10 years.
- r3m3mb3rm3 10y ago
  Then you can say that you have some accounts but you don't remember the password anymore: "I'm just logged in from my computer at home. If I delete the cookies I don't know if I would be able to get the password again"
  - lukealization 10y ago
    This is genuinely applicable to me. I don't remember any of my passwords since I'm logged in at most places via cookies, and my passwords are completely randomized strings two dozen or more characters long, stored in a password manager. Do border security understand how password managers work, or would I have to tell them how to access my own data? Showerthought: If I delete my password manager from my phone, maybe the password manager should perform geolocation and detect if the application is trying to be installed at an airport (possibly indicating installation against my will). That's a very nuanced situation.
    - hdhzy 10y ago
      I suspect they understand how password managers work and either ask you for access or take your hardware and fiddle with it off-screen (Evil Maid attack? [0]). Otherwise if they don't like you they just send you back home and that's it. [0]: https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2009/10/evil_maid_attac.html https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2009/10/evil_maid_att...
  - irishsultan 10y ago
    That's fine, but why do you think they'd allow you to enter the country in that case?
    - qrbLPHiKpiux 10y ago
      Even when having no social media accounts is suspicion in itself. You can't win.
  - buro9 10y ago
    It wouldn't matter. 1. Lying to them falls under "fraudulent access to the USA" and the penalty is permanent exclusion, no Visa will help you, you have no right to appeal. 2. You cannot discuss or appeal anything, there isn't a discussion that you are a part of in which you get to explain your side or proffer an excuse... your actions already did your talking. Don't lie to border control, don't give BS excuses. Either you're willing to give them access or you shouldn't have boarded the plane. "I can't because I don't remember" is not a right to enter the USA... you do not have that right, the right is granted by them.
    - cr1895 10y ago
      >you do not have that right, the right is granted by them. *excluding US citizens, who are also affected by these practices.
    - ioquatix 10y ago
      How much freedom should one sacrifice to enter the USA?
paulajohnson 10y ago
Lying to them is a serious criminal offense carrying (IIRC) up to 5 years in prison. Even a harmless fib counts.
- martinko 10y ago
  Jesus. I will seriously try to avoid ever having to travel to the US in this climate.
  - dx034 10y ago
    That lying at the border is a serious offence is neither new nor US specific.
  - praneshp 10y ago
    Where will you travel to that allows lying to agents at the border?
- celticninja 10y ago
  But I am not lying, I dont have facebook, or twitter or snapchat. How do I prove I dont have these accounts? What if I do have a FB account that i signed up for years ago, never use, forgot to delete, dont know the password for? Do I get a stay in prison for that?
  - Noseshine 10y ago
    No, his point is that if you are lying they have an instrument to use against you. Similar to how they got Al Capone, where they didn't have to go through the trouble of having to prove his actual crimes in court. It isn't about you individually, it's about big numbers, statistics. It's just an additional tool in their arsenal. Similar to why doctors perform standard exams even when you come in and complain about something where that particular exam seems ridiculously wrong. The procedures are not invented new each time for every person, they are based on what works "statistically". On that level they found that in (some low) x percent of cases having such a signature helps, so they include that question. And occasionally they even catch someone gullible to, or who can't manage their emotions, but that's just an additional bonus and not even the main reason for the question(s).
hdhzy 10y ago
What if you give them your password but the account is protected by 2FA and you don't have it with you? (being shipped with FedEx in the mean time...)

HappyTypist 10y ago

They keep it in record and in the future if they ever found out you lied, you can be jailed for 10 years.

r3m3mb3rm3 10y ago
Then you can say that you have some accounts but you don't remember the password anymore: "I'm just logged in from my computer at home. If I delete the cookies I don't know if I would be able to get the password again"
- lukealization 10y ago
  This is genuinely applicable to me. I don't remember any of my passwords since I'm logged in at most places via cookies, and my passwords are completely randomized strings two dozen or more characters long, stored in a password manager. Do border security understand how password managers work, or would I have to tell them how to access my own data? Showerthought: If I delete my password manager from my phone, maybe the password manager should perform geolocation and detect if the application is trying to be installed at an airport (possibly indicating installation against my will). That's a very nuanced situation.
  - hdhzy 10y ago
    I suspect they understand how password managers work and either ask you for access or take your hardware and fiddle with it off-screen (Evil Maid attack? [0]). Otherwise if they don't like you they just send you back home and that's it. [0]: https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2009/10/evil_maid_attac.html https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2009/10/evil_maid_att...
- irishsultan 10y ago
  That's fine, but why do you think they'd allow you to enter the country in that case?
  - qrbLPHiKpiux 10y ago
    Even when having no social media accounts is suspicion in itself. You can't win.
- buro9 10y ago
  It wouldn't matter. 1. Lying to them falls under "fraudulent access to the USA" and the penalty is permanent exclusion, no Visa will help you, you have no right to appeal. 2. You cannot discuss or appeal anything, there isn't a discussion that you are a part of in which you get to explain your side or proffer an excuse... your actions already did your talking. Don't lie to border control, don't give BS excuses. Either you're willing to give them access or you shouldn't have boarded the plane. "I can't because I don't remember" is not a right to enter the USA... you do not have that right, the right is granted by them.
  - cr1895 10y ago
    >you do not have that right, the right is granted by them. *excluding US citizens, who are also affected by these practices.
  - ioquatix 10y ago
    How much freedom should one sacrifice to enter the USA?

paulajohnson 10y ago

Lying to them is a serious criminal offense carrying (IIRC) up to 5 years in prison. Even a harmless fib counts.

martinko 10y ago
Jesus. I will seriously try to avoid ever having to travel to the US in this climate.
- dx034 10y ago
  That lying at the border is a serious offence is neither new nor US specific.
- praneshp 10y ago
  Where will you travel to that allows lying to agents at the border?
celticninja 10y ago
But I am not lying, I dont have facebook, or twitter or snapchat. How do I prove I dont have these accounts? What if I do have a FB account that i signed up for years ago, never use, forgot to delete, dont know the password for? Do I get a stay in prison for that?
- Noseshine 10y ago
  No, his point is that if you are lying they have an instrument to use against you. Similar to how they got Al Capone, where they didn't have to go through the trouble of having to prove his actual crimes in court. It isn't about you individually, it's about big numbers, statistics. It's just an additional tool in their arsenal. Similar to why doctors perform standard exams even when you come in and complain about something where that particular exam seems ridiculously wrong. The procedures are not invented new each time for every person, they are based on what works "statistically". On that level they found that in (some low) x percent of cases having such a signature helps, so they include that question. And occasionally they even catch someone gullible to, or who can't manage their emotions, but that's just an additional bonus and not even the main reason for the question(s).

hdhzy 10y ago

What if you give them your password but the account is protected by 2FA and you don't have it with you? (being shipped with FedEx in the mean time...)