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> Self-driving electrical vehicles could greatly reduce congestion They could. But they could also greatly increase congestion because travelling with car will

by nickez 9y ago

> Self-driving electrical vehicles could greatly reduce congestion They could. But they could also greatly increase congestion because travelling with car will be a lot more convenient. Especially if the car can drop you of at your location and find a parking spot itself. I think the only way self-driving cars will reduce congestion is if the cars are shared both per ride and over the day.

ben_w 9y ago
Given the phrase "rush hour" exists in the English language, I think they can only reduce congestion by sharing over the whole day if workplaces are successfully encouraged to shift their starting hours away from the usual 9-5 (or 9-5:30 as it seems to be). This will, of course, also work for human-driven cars.
- oblio 9y ago
  Almost all the incentives are for the status quo. I don't see anything which will radically change this.
- hwillis 9y ago
  >workplaces are successfully encouraged to shift their starting hours away from the usual 9-5 (or 9-5:30 as it seems to be). This could only possibly work for internationally-focused firms, firms that operate around-the-clock, or firms that do not need contact with other firms and contact customers outside business hours. That is a very small subset. Business hours are excellent for everyone involved in terms of work-life balance and coordinating business. They are not a good thing to sacrifice and it would only be a stopgap measure anyway. If you need to move a ton of people all at once, you need public transportation. BUILD MORE TRAINS /swiss
  - ben_w 9y ago
    Work life balance is an interesting point I had not considered. Mainly I was trying to make the point that self-driving cars won't make much difference to this specific problem, but I don't seem to have communicated that very well given the replies.
- WorldMaker 9y ago
  This is why I think a shift to remote work culture is more likely to be a major reduction of congestion than self-driving vehicles ever could. It's just too bad a remote work culture seems less likely, because it isn't a technical problem but a political/social problem.

by nickez 9y ago

ben_w 9y ago

Given the phrase "rush hour" exists in the English language, I think they can only reduce congestion by sharing over the whole day if workplaces are successfully encouraged to shift their starting hours away from the usual 9-5 (or 9-5:30 as it seems to be). This will, of course, also work for human-driven cars.

oblio 9y ago
Almost all the incentives are for the status quo. I don't see anything which will radically change this.
hwillis 9y ago
>workplaces are successfully encouraged to shift their starting hours away from the usual 9-5 (or 9-5:30 as it seems to be). This could only possibly work for internationally-focused firms, firms that operate around-the-clock, or firms that do not need contact with other firms and contact customers outside business hours. That is a very small subset. Business hours are excellent for everyone involved in terms of work-life balance and coordinating business. They are not a good thing to sacrifice and it would only be a stopgap measure anyway. If you need to move a ton of people all at once, you need public transportation. BUILD MORE TRAINS /swiss
- ben_w 9y ago
  Work life balance is an interesting point I had not considered. Mainly I was trying to make the point that self-driving cars won't make much difference to this specific problem, but I don't seem to have communicated that very well given the replies.
WorldMaker 9y ago
This is why I think a shift to remote work culture is more likely to be a major reduction of congestion than self-driving vehicles ever could. It's just too bad a remote work culture seems less likely, because it isn't a technical problem but a political/social problem.