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I used to sort of laugh at this kind of thing. Ok, people who believe weird things are fighting with each other. Then they relabeled every bathroom in Californ

I used to sort of laugh at this kind of thing. Ok, people who believe weird things are fighting with each other. Then they relabeled every bathroom in California as being "All Gender." What does that even mean? There are two genders. Sometimes, people from one gender decide to identify with another gender. Fine. Men who believe they are women can go in the women's room and vice versa. No need to invent the concept of "all gender." So now I no longer find this funny. I read about transracialism and now I am worried this is also going to become mainstream and I am going to get publicly persecuted for questioning that as well. America has lost it's mind. Really. When do we actually start pushing back against this and begin saying: "No, you can't be transracial, that is a dumb idea and this is an idiotic thing to even entertain and I am not going to allow you to pretend this is real science." Now would be good.

gizmo686 9y ago
>Then they relabeled every bathroom in California as being "All Gender." What does that even mean? Gender neutral? To make a historical comparison, consider race segregated bathrooms. At one time we had "white" bathrooms and "colored" bathrooms. Now we just have "all race" bathrooms. There are some people who think we should do the same with gender discrimination. Some (myself included) say we should do this even if not for transfolk. California's bill (as I understand it) does not go nearly this far. Instead, it only requires that all single-occupancy bathrooms be gender neutral; and I have yet to meet a single person who even pretends to understand why he have gendered single occupancy bathrooms.
- extra88 9y ago
  > I have yet to meet a single person who even pretends to understand why he have gendered single occupancy bathrooms. If there's space for two single-occupancy bathrooms, I think most people prefer it. Women don't like putting the seat down and think pee on the floor is pure carelessness. Men don't like putting the seat down and are grossed out by period blood. If it means the bathroom has a urinal, even if single-occupancy, I think most men would prefer that.
  - tarboreus 9y ago
    This is overstated. Most people would prefer the optionality of using more bathrooms, and anecdotally I've noticed people ignoring gender designations on single-occupancy bathrooms.
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BoringAsian 9y ago
I don't know if you mean to but its kinda funny that you sound like one of the witch hunters! Being transracial doesn't seem hard to understand to me. It just seems vapid and antagonistic.
extra88 9y ago
> Then they relabeled every bathroom in California as being "All Gender." I don't believe you. I don't believe that if I walk into an Applebee's in Modesto, the "Men" and "Women" signs on the bathrooms are both replaced with "All Gender." Ditto for multi-stall bathrooms in, say, a courthouse.
omonra 9y ago
I guess that's the point of her article - that a man waking up and deciding to be a woman has as much legitimacy as a white guy deciding that he's black. Ie if you accept one, you have to accept the other.
cholantesh 9y ago
>Then they relabeled every bathroom in California as being "All Gender." Citation needed. >There are two genders. Sometimes, people from one gender decide to identify with another gender. Fine. Men who believe they are women can go in the women's room and vice versa. No need to invent the concept of "all gender." Binary gender [1],[2] and gendered bathrooms [3] are actually much more modern than the concept of a gender spectrum. >["]I am not going to allow you to pretend this is real science." Who is pretending this is real science? This is a rhetorical paper in a journal of philosophy. [1] : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_gender#History https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_gender#History [2] : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hijra_(South_Asia) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hijra_(South_Asia) [3] : http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/universityeducation/student-life/11235210/Student-life-gendered-toilets-belong-in-the-past.html http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/universityeducation/stu...

gizmo686 9y ago

>Then they relabeled every bathroom in California as being "All Gender." What does that even mean? Gender neutral? To make a historical comparison, consider race segregated bathrooms. At one time we had "white" bathrooms and "colored" bathrooms. Now we just have "all race" bathrooms. There are some people who think we should do the same with gender discrimination. Some (myself included) say we should do this even if not for transfolk. California's bill (as I understand it) does not go nearly this far. Instead, it only requires that all single-occupancy bathrooms be gender neutral; and I have yet to meet a single person who even pretends to understand why he have gendered single occupancy bathrooms.

extra88 9y ago
> I have yet to meet a single person who even pretends to understand why he have gendered single occupancy bathrooms. If there's space for two single-occupancy bathrooms, I think most people prefer it. Women don't like putting the seat down and think pee on the floor is pure carelessness. Men don't like putting the seat down and are grossed out by period blood. If it means the bathroom has a urinal, even if single-occupancy, I think most men would prefer that.
- tarboreus 9y ago
  This is overstated. Most people would prefer the optionality of using more bathrooms, and anecdotally I've noticed people ignoring gender designations on single-occupancy bathrooms.
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BoringAsian 9y ago

I don't know if you mean to but its kinda funny that you sound like one of the witch hunters! Being transracial doesn't seem hard to understand to me. It just seems vapid and antagonistic.

extra88 9y ago

> Then they relabeled every bathroom in California as being "All Gender." I don't believe you. I don't believe that if I walk into an Applebee's in Modesto, the "Men" and "Women" signs on the bathrooms are both replaced with "All Gender." Ditto for multi-stall bathrooms in, say, a courthouse.

omonra 9y ago

I guess that's the point of her article - that a man waking up and deciding to be a woman has as much legitimacy as a white guy deciding that he's black. Ie if you accept one, you have to accept the other.

cholantesh 9y ago

>Then they relabeled every bathroom in California as being "All Gender." Citation needed. >There are two genders. Sometimes, people from one gender decide to identify with another gender. Fine. Men who believe they are women can go in the women's room and vice versa. No need to invent the concept of "all gender." Binary gender [1],[2] and gendered bathrooms [3] are actually much more modern than the concept of a gender spectrum. >["]I am not going to allow you to pretend this is real science." Who is pretending this is real science? This is a rhetorical paper in a journal of philosophy. [1] : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_gender#History https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_gender#History [2] : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hijra_(South_Asia) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hijra_(South_Asia) [3] : http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/universityeducation/student-life/11235210/Student-life-gendered-toilets-belong-in-the-past.html http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/universityeducation/stu...