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> I'm not an expert, but it is consistent with cultural and historical details I've heard. I've heard several times that people born under the astrological sig

> I'm not an expert, but it is consistent with cultural and historical details I've heard. I've heard several times that people born under the astrological sign Pisces tend to be confused because their symbol is two fishes going in opposite directions. > It's ironic that you say "It would be nice to have a shred of evidence for claims like this" yet don't attempt to provide any evidence for your claim that it "is almost certainly pure fiction". Even Alanis Morissette could not claim that it is in the slightest bit ironic. The person making the claim is the person required to come up with evidence for it, not the person disputing the claim. What evidence do you have that Pisces people are NOT confused and lacking direction?

jamesrcole 9y ago
"I'm not an expert" means "I am not an expert", not that I know nothing on these matters. I've read about Japanese culture quite a few times in the past. There's a lot of information out there about historical and present Japanese attitudes towards other races and cultures. Regarding your second point, you made the positive claim that it's "almost certainly pure fiction". If you're going to make a positive claim and not provide any evidence, while criticising other people for doing the same thing, then that's ironic.
- Safety1stClyde 9y ago
  > "I'm not an expert" means "I am not an expert", not that I know nothing on these matters. I've read about Japanese culture quite a few times in the past. There's a lot of information out there about historical and present Japanese attitudes towards other races and cultures. Then perhaps you can provide a shred of evidence that the Japanese people in postwar Japan were "constantly exhorted" that they were superior to other asians. > Regarding your second point, you made the positive claim that it's "almost certainly pure fiction". If you're going to make a positive claim and not provide any evidence, while criticising other people for doing the same thing, then that's ironic. The claim that people born under the star sign Pisces are easily confused is almost certainly pure fiction. Confabulating the words "almost certainly pure fiction" into a positive claim on my part is pointless semantic game-playing.
  - jamesrcole 9y ago
    I am more than happy for you to think that I am ignorant and that there is no evidence out there. I'm not here to go dig up details for you. This all started with you saying that it was "almost certainly pure fiction" without providing any evidence for that claim, while at the same time criticising someone for providing no evidence for the opposite view. You still haven't given your evidence for saying it's almost certainly pure fiction. If someone said that the idea that people have walked on the moon was "almost certainly pure fiction", and that person also complained that people saying that people have walked on the moon haven't given a shred of evidence, then it'd be reasonable to ask them what their evidence was for it being almost certainly pure fiction. Why is it almost certainly pure fiction?
    - Safety1stClyde 9y ago
      > This all started with you saying that it was "almost certainly pure fiction" without providing any evidence for that claim For the last time: saying that a claim is pure fiction is not a claim, it is a dispute of a claim.
      - jamesrcole 9y ago
        If you had said "what is the evidence, I don't believe it" that would had been fine. That wouldn't put any onus on you. But you said it was almost certainly pure fiction, which is a statement that requires evidence.
- dilemma 9y ago
  No, I think you do know exactly nothing. What you believe you do know may be completely wrong since you have no first hand experience and read things filtered through the cultural biases that exist in each of us, and when applied to another culture, finds ways to on the one hand exoticize it, on the other to denigrate it and it's people.
  - jamesrcole 9y ago
    > I think you do know exactly nothing. What you believe you do know may be completely wrong since you have no first hand experience and read things filtered through the cultural biases that exist in each of us So that applies to you and your view too, right? Or is it only other people's views? > and when applied to another culture, finds ways to on the one hand exoticize it, on the other to denigrate it and it's people. That's an extremely presumptuous and arrogant statement to make. As if that was the only possible kind of response. And speaking of my case, I have known many Japanese people and have like them a lot, and I like a lot about Japanese culture. I am half Asian and hardly exoticize the place or culture
    - dilemma 9y ago
      >So that applies to you and your view too, right? Or is it only other people's views? It applies to both you and me.
      - jamesrcole 9y ago
        I'm glad that, despite earlier saying otherwise, you're acknowledging that it's possible your view may be wrong and that what I'm saying may be correct.
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jamesrcole 9y ago

"I'm not an expert" means "I am not an expert", not that I know nothing on these matters. I've read about Japanese culture quite a few times in the past. There's a lot of information out there about historical and present Japanese attitudes towards other races and cultures. Regarding your second point, you made the positive claim that it's "almost certainly pure fiction". If you're going to make a positive claim and not provide any evidence, while criticising other people for doing the same thing, then that's ironic.

Safety1stClyde 9y ago
> "I'm not an expert" means "I am not an expert", not that I know nothing on these matters. I've read about Japanese culture quite a few times in the past. There's a lot of information out there about historical and present Japanese attitudes towards other races and cultures. Then perhaps you can provide a shred of evidence that the Japanese people in postwar Japan were "constantly exhorted" that they were superior to other asians. > Regarding your second point, you made the positive claim that it's "almost certainly pure fiction". If you're going to make a positive claim and not provide any evidence, while criticising other people for doing the same thing, then that's ironic. The claim that people born under the star sign Pisces are easily confused is almost certainly pure fiction. Confabulating the words "almost certainly pure fiction" into a positive claim on my part is pointless semantic game-playing.
- jamesrcole 9y ago
  I am more than happy for you to think that I am ignorant and that there is no evidence out there. I'm not here to go dig up details for you. This all started with you saying that it was "almost certainly pure fiction" without providing any evidence for that claim, while at the same time criticising someone for providing no evidence for the opposite view. You still haven't given your evidence for saying it's almost certainly pure fiction. If someone said that the idea that people have walked on the moon was "almost certainly pure fiction", and that person also complained that people saying that people have walked on the moon haven't given a shred of evidence, then it'd be reasonable to ask them what their evidence was for it being almost certainly pure fiction. Why is it almost certainly pure fiction?
  - Safety1stClyde 9y ago
    > This all started with you saying that it was "almost certainly pure fiction" without providing any evidence for that claim For the last time: saying that a claim is pure fiction is not a claim, it is a dispute of a claim.
    - jamesrcole 9y ago
      If you had said "what is the evidence, I don't believe it" that would had been fine. That wouldn't put any onus on you. But you said it was almost certainly pure fiction, which is a statement that requires evidence.
dilemma 9y ago
No, I think you do know exactly nothing. What you believe you do know may be completely wrong since you have no first hand experience and read things filtered through the cultural biases that exist in each of us, and when applied to another culture, finds ways to on the one hand exoticize it, on the other to denigrate it and it's people.
- jamesrcole 9y ago
  > I think you do know exactly nothing. What you believe you do know may be completely wrong since you have no first hand experience and read things filtered through the cultural biases that exist in each of us So that applies to you and your view too, right? Or is it only other people's views? > and when applied to another culture, finds ways to on the one hand exoticize it, on the other to denigrate it and it's people. That's an extremely presumptuous and arrogant statement to make. As if that was the only possible kind of response. And speaking of my case, I have known many Japanese people and have like them a lot, and I like a lot about Japanese culture. I am half Asian and hardly exoticize the place or culture
  - dilemma 9y ago
    >So that applies to you and your view too, right? Or is it only other people's views? It applies to both you and me.
    - jamesrcole 9y ago
      I'm glad that, despite earlier saying otherwise, you're acknowledging that it's possible your view may be wrong and that what I'm saying may be correct.
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