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I don't agree with his claims that the following are among "a long list of Truths That Cannot Be Stated Publicly". I don't think anyone would care; I care very

I don't agree with his claims that the following are among "a long list of Truths That Cannot Be Stated Publicly". I don't think anyone would care; I care very much about racism and can't imagine anyone I know objecting to these. * "people who liked Jay Z were more likely to like Obama" * "Hispanics between the ages of 18 and 25 probably do engage with ads singing the charms and advantages of military service." (I'm skipping the other example because it's an issue of economic exploitation, not ethnicity.)

empath75 9y ago
Yeah, basically if you have any kind of oppressed category of people, you can take advantage of them by exploiting their vulnerabilities (lack of education, lack of access to credit, etc). If you aren't careful with how you use your algorithms, you can come up with all kinds of systems that reinforce systemic racism.
- hackuser 9y ago
  A good point that I overlooked; thanks.
antongm 9y ago
The Jay-z example was real and the tool was shot down by policy. Some targeting is really prohibited thanks to policy.
- hackuser 9y ago
  No offense, but how do you know?
  - antongm 9y ago
    I'm the author of the op-ed we're all discussing. :)
    - TECHnickAlly 9y ago
      You're too modest. :) People don't expect it.
      - antongm 9y ago
        This might be the first time anyone has accused me of modesty.
        TECHnickAlly 9y ago
        Well, if you're still there can I ask you about Silicon Valley's approach to the law. You say that lawsuits are merely part of "a well-scripted conflict narrative between corporate entities". Here in Australia our Federal Court recently hit Chevron for $300 million in a tax case that some say will have implications worldwide for corporate tax structures. Couldn't a new model of law based on that kind of questioning of corporations and corporate governance regulate the Valley (and Wall Street) effectively? If not what are the holes in such a claim?

empath75 9y ago

Yeah, basically if you have any kind of oppressed category of people, you can take advantage of them by exploiting their vulnerabilities (lack of education, lack of access to credit, etc). If you aren't careful with how you use your algorithms, you can come up with all kinds of systems that reinforce systemic racism.

hackuser 9y ago
A good point that I overlooked; thanks.

antongm 9y ago

The Jay-z example was real and the tool was shot down by policy. Some targeting is really prohibited thanks to policy.

hackuser 9y ago
No offense, but how do you know?
- antongm 9y ago
  I'm the author of the op-ed we're all discussing. :)
  - TECHnickAlly 9y ago
    You're too modest. :) People don't expect it.
    - antongm 9y ago
      This might be the first time anyone has accused me of modesty.
      - TECHnickAlly 9y ago
        Well, if you're still there can I ask you about Silicon Valley's approach to the law. You say that lawsuits are merely part of "a well-scripted conflict narrative between corporate entities". Here in Australia our Federal Court recently hit Chevron for $300 million in a tax case that some say will have implications worldwide for corporate tax structures. Couldn't a new model of law based on that kind of questioning of corporations and corporate governance regulate the Valley (and Wall Street) effectively? If not what are the holes in such a claim?