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Fresh water fish strikes me as likely very labor intensive, and labor is searched for and destroyed in this country, in favor of industrial sized processes and

by a3n 10y ago

Fresh water fish strikes me as likely very labor intensive, and labor is searched for and destroyed in this country, in favor of industrial sized processes and yields. I see big fillets of salmon and other large fish in Krogers, from the large industrial supply chain, next to the occasional little trouts and whatevers, and I often wonder "where do those little guys come from? How is it possible for them to get into this case?" I'm not at all aware of any fresh water/river fishing companies, it strikes me as unsustainable except on a semi-recreational basis.

afuchs 10y ago
Considering that the Midwest contains the Great Lakes [1][2], how would fresh water fishing be any more labor intensive than in the open ocean? [1] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Lake_Erie#/media/File:Detroit_River_Draining_Into_Lake_Erie,_Michigan_(21515756299).jpg https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Lake_Erie#/media... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Lakes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Lakes
- a3n 10y ago
  So is that where the trout in Krogers display case down here in Denver come from? Trout trawlers in the Great Lakes?
jessaustin 10y ago
Someone in USA Midwest who doesn't just go fishing for himself in any of the many lakes and streams that are open to the public, has very little basis for complaint about selection of fresh fish to eat. The reason we have a variety of sport fish in our inland waters, is because commercial fishing is not allowed.
- wahern 10y ago
  An aside: I visited Mongolia a few years ago and learned that Mongolians almost universally dislike fish. And given that the vast majority of Mongolians were pastoral and nomadic until about 10 years ago, the many pristine lakes and streams of Mongolia are filled with ridiculously large fish. The waters are very accessible, too, because the vast majority of the land in the country is open to allow the population to freely roam and graze their livestock. I'm not an avid fisherman, but anybody who is should seriously consider visiting Mongolia before it's too late. An exceptionally brutal winter in 2009 killed many livestock and drove millions of people to the capital city. And in the past 10 years the mining industry has exploded. The population is rapidly moving away from nomadic pastoralism and toward industrialization and private property. While I'm sure most of the country will remain undeveloped for quite some time given its size, with the mining operations the waterways are likely to become increasingly suspect. FWIW, it's not that Mongolians are like some isolated tribe in the Amazon. They're fully aware of the world and enjoy a decent literacy rate. But the Soviets kept the Mongolian economy relatively undeveloped, perhaps because the pastoral culture fit the communist ideal. With the collapse of the USSR the country stayed on the same course until about 10-15 years ago when outsiders (especially South Koreans) poured in to develop the resource extraction industries.
  - vram22 10y ago
    What kinds of food did you eat while there, and any comments on it. I'd like to visit some time.
    - wahern 10y ago
      Sheep (mutton) and horse meat. I also ate camel meat, though I'm not sure how common that still is. The whole country smells like mutton, though, and you will too. It's by far the most common meat and is basically the staple food. The principle grain is (I think) wheat, often as Russian-style dumplings. Filled with mutton, of course. The food is pretty simple. Nothing flashy. Not many ingredients. The steppe is a pretty desolate place. Not necessarily bland, either, though. The homemade camel soup was made from dried camel meat seasoned with a wild herb (maybe some kind of allium-related weed?) the host collected while tending his livestock and packed into jars with salt. (Perhaps it pickled a little?) Another dish at a small restaurant was stir-fried horse meat with garlic shoots. I did eat sheep brains, scooped out of a whole cooked sheep's head sawed in half. That was at a restaurant in Ulaanbaatar. Memorable but definitely the most bland dish I ate there. I had many other dishes but my memory fails me. Oh, I did have tea with camel's milk on a couple of occasions. Never got to try the famous fermented (alcoholic) horse milk, though.
      - vram22 10y ago
        Wow, interesting. I suppose mutton is the staple food because of their huge area of steppe / grasslands. About the dumplings, I was just recently reading about manti [1], a Turkish dumpling (which is basically steamed or fried balls of dough filled with ground meat or other fillings). [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manti_(dumpling) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manti_(dumpling) The Wikipedia article said it may be of Central Asian or Turkic / Mongol origin, and had spread to many countries, including Central Asian ones, the Caucasus, Russia, etc. I'm guessing the Russian-style dumplings you mention are a form of manti. Edit: Just looked it up again, the manti article links to buuz, the Mongolian name for it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buuz https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buuz Also, do they eat much of vegetables, fruits, etc.?

by a3n 10y ago

afuchs 10y ago

Considering that the Midwest contains the Great Lakes [1][2], how would fresh water fishing be any more labor intensive than in the open ocean? [1] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Lake_Erie#/media/File:Detroit_River_Draining_Into_Lake_Erie,_Michigan_(21515756299).jpg https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Lake_Erie#/media... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Lakes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Lakes

a3n 10y ago
So is that where the trout in Krogers display case down here in Denver come from? Trout trawlers in the Great Lakes?

jessaustin 10y ago

Someone in USA Midwest who doesn't just go fishing for himself in any of the many lakes and streams that are open to the public, has very little basis for complaint about selection of fresh fish to eat. The reason we have a variety of sport fish in our inland waters, is because commercial fishing is not allowed.

wahern 10y ago
An aside: I visited Mongolia a few years ago and learned that Mongolians almost universally dislike fish. And given that the vast majority of Mongolians were pastoral and nomadic until about 10 years ago, the many pristine lakes and streams of Mongolia are filled with ridiculously large fish. The waters are very accessible, too, because the vast majority of the land in the country is open to allow the population to freely roam and graze their livestock. I'm not an avid fisherman, but anybody who is should seriously consider visiting Mongolia before it's too late. An exceptionally brutal winter in 2009 killed many livestock and drove millions of people to the capital city. And in the past 10 years the mining industry has exploded. The population is rapidly moving away from nomadic pastoralism and toward industrialization and private property. While I'm sure most of the country will remain undeveloped for quite some time given its size, with the mining operations the waterways are likely to become increasingly suspect. FWIW, it's not that Mongolians are like some isolated tribe in the Amazon. They're fully aware of the world and enjoy a decent literacy rate. But the Soviets kept the Mongolian economy relatively undeveloped, perhaps because the pastoral culture fit the communist ideal. With the collapse of the USSR the country stayed on the same course until about 10-15 years ago when outsiders (especially South Koreans) poured in to develop the resource extraction industries.
- vram22 10y ago
  What kinds of food did you eat while there, and any comments on it. I'd like to visit some time.
  - wahern 10y ago
    Sheep (mutton) and horse meat. I also ate camel meat, though I'm not sure how common that still is. The whole country smells like mutton, though, and you will too. It's by far the most common meat and is basically the staple food. The principle grain is (I think) wheat, often as Russian-style dumplings. Filled with mutton, of course. The food is pretty simple. Nothing flashy. Not many ingredients. The steppe is a pretty desolate place. Not necessarily bland, either, though. The homemade camel soup was made from dried camel meat seasoned with a wild herb (maybe some kind of allium-related weed?) the host collected while tending his livestock and packed into jars with salt. (Perhaps it pickled a little?) Another dish at a small restaurant was stir-fried horse meat with garlic shoots. I did eat sheep brains, scooped out of a whole cooked sheep's head sawed in half. That was at a restaurant in Ulaanbaatar. Memorable but definitely the most bland dish I ate there. I had many other dishes but my memory fails me. Oh, I did have tea with camel's milk on a couple of occasions. Never got to try the famous fermented (alcoholic) horse milk, though.
    - vram22 10y ago
      Wow, interesting. I suppose mutton is the staple food because of their huge area of steppe / grasslands. About the dumplings, I was just recently reading about manti [1], a Turkish dumpling (which is basically steamed or fried balls of dough filled with ground meat or other fillings). [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manti_(dumpling) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manti_(dumpling) The Wikipedia article said it may be of Central Asian or Turkic / Mongol origin, and had spread to many countries, including Central Asian ones, the Caucasus, Russia, etc. I'm guessing the Russian-style dumplings you mention are a form of manti. Edit: Just looked it up again, the manti article links to buuz, the Mongolian name for it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buuz https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buuz Also, do they eat much of vegetables, fruits, etc.?