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The missing part is an ad-blocker thats allowing ads by default, unless you tell him to block on the current domain. I think the problem is in the default beha

by salzig 9y ago

The missing part is an ad-blocker thats allowing ads by default, unless you tell him to block on the current domain. I think the problem is in the default behaviour of being on for all domains by default. Which even when you do your job right, by not using overlay or otherwise distracting ads, blocks you by default, without giving the user a choice to decide.

ubernostrum 9y ago
The user already decided, by installing the ad blocker.
- matt4077 9y ago
  Have they? A user may install an ad blocker because of some giant video obscuring content and playing music on a.com, but they may be entirely willing to continue seeing text ads on b.com. For users that want such an experience, there is definitely a lack of options.
  - 45h34jh53k4j 9y ago
    In my experience, Online advertising is overwhelmingly negative. Lets compare it to cancer. Maybe the users don't want brain cancer, but they should have the option for skin cancer. Nobody wants cancer. Users who install adblockers don't want ads.
    - salzig 9y ago
      comparing ads with cancer is suggestive. personally i compare them with housekeeping. I don't like it, i can decide to pay someone to do it, or i've to accept them. Which could kill me by poisonous cleanser (malware).
  - ubernostrum 9y ago
    I install an ad blocker because advertisers have overwhelmingly demonstrated that they cannot be trusted, either with my computer or with my data.
jancsika 9y ago
That would mean a user who manually blacklisted 10 domains took on the added risk of letting 10 ads through that were potential malware vectors. Another problem is that the ads the user deemed to be acceptable visually don't necessarily carry a correspondingly lower risk of malware. Yet another problem is that the user likely thinks that by allowing ads for domain X they are allowing X to serve them ads. When in reality, they are allowing X to add a third-party service Y that sells access to Z, and that neither X nor Y currently have a way to guarantee that bad things won't happen from letting Z (or even who Z is, or that Z was a possible participant when X signed up for the service).
anigbrowl 9y ago
I want that about as much as I want an umbrella with thousands of holes that have to be closed up individually.

by salzig 9y ago

ubernostrum 9y ago

The user already decided, by installing the ad blocker.

matt4077 9y ago
Have they? A user may install an ad blocker because of some giant video obscuring content and playing music on a.com, but they may be entirely willing to continue seeing text ads on b.com. For users that want such an experience, there is definitely a lack of options.
- 45h34jh53k4j 9y ago
  In my experience, Online advertising is overwhelmingly negative. Lets compare it to cancer. Maybe the users don't want brain cancer, but they should have the option for skin cancer. Nobody wants cancer. Users who install adblockers don't want ads.
  - salzig 9y ago
    comparing ads with cancer is suggestive. personally i compare them with housekeeping. I don't like it, i can decide to pay someone to do it, or i've to accept them. Which could kill me by poisonous cleanser (malware).
- ubernostrum 9y ago
  I install an ad blocker because advertisers have overwhelmingly demonstrated that they cannot be trusted, either with my computer or with my data.

jancsika 9y ago

That would mean a user who manually blacklisted 10 domains took on the added risk of letting 10 ads through that were potential malware vectors. Another problem is that the ads the user deemed to be acceptable visually don't necessarily carry a correspondingly lower risk of malware. Yet another problem is that the user likely thinks that by allowing ads for domain X they are allowing X to serve them ads. When in reality, they are allowing X to add a third-party service Y that sells access to Z, and that neither X nor Y currently have a way to guarantee that bad things won't happen from letting Z (or even who Z is, or that Z was a possible participant when X signed up for the service).

anigbrowl 9y ago

I want that about as much as I want an umbrella with thousands of holes that have to be closed up individually.