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One-month-long? Isn't it too short for sabbatical? How is it different from vacation? I think I might not understand what they mean by sabbatical.

by skolos 9y ago

snarf21 9y ago
Intel has something similar. It isn't super different from vacation but it is in addition to vacation and you can attach them for a super long one.
bspn 9y ago
Yes, I believe the origins of the sabbatical are in academia where it was intended to give people the ability to take an extended period of time away from their traditional role and try something different (often travel or an overseas post). This helped keep them fresh and allow them to broaden their range of experience without needing to permanently leave the institution. More recently, the term has been bastardized to a certain extent by start-ups who use it as a form of "bonus vacation" for long-serving team members.
fernandotakai 9y ago
that's also what i thought -- vacations for me means a month away from work where i don't have to check anything work related (email, slack, pagerduty). according to google, sabbatical is: > a period of paid leave granted to a university teacher or other worker for study or travel, traditionally one year for every seven years worked.
- giaour 9y ago
  It's paid leave because you're almost always expected to write or finish a substantial piece of scholarship. One month isn't long enough to write a book, so I don't think this is the model Basecamp is following
nhangen 9y ago
Most vacations, at least in the US, are 1 week in length. Upper middle class takes maybe 2 weeks. The wealthy of course take as long as they want. I don't think I've ever had a vacation longer than 10 days.
- ryandrake 9y ago
  Most jobs I've seen (in the USA) offer up to two weeks of "paid time off" which you need to split between vacation and sickness. The concept of taking more than a contiguous week off per year for an actual vacation must be pretty rare. Usually my vacation days get used for the purpose of running an errand or taking care of a sick kid.
- noam87 9y ago
  Wow that's awful.
  - nhangen 9y ago
    I agree! That's why I became an entrepreneur lol.
    - brianwawok 9y ago
      Then you realize entrepreneurs get even less vacation
      - nhangen 9y ago
        pretty much
    - mdekkers 9y ago
      Since becoming an entrepreneur, I have never had a "vacation" - Sure, I went to different places, but always with laptop and a bag full of assorted devices in tow. I was thinking of going back to a "regular job" for a while, just to relieve some stress. Alas, I had another idea and won't be able to rest until that is built :)

One-month-long? Isn't it too short for sabbatical? How is it different from vacation? I think I might not understand what they mean by sabbatical.

by skolos 9y ago

One-month-long? Isn't it too short for sabbatical? How is it different from vacation? I think I might not understand what they mean by sabbatical.

snarf21 9y ago

Intel has something similar. It isn't super different from vacation but it is in addition to vacation and you can attach them for a super long one.

bspn 9y ago

Yes, I believe the origins of the sabbatical are in academia where it was intended to give people the ability to take an extended period of time away from their traditional role and try something different (often travel or an overseas post). This helped keep them fresh and allow them to broaden their range of experience without needing to permanently leave the institution. More recently, the term has been bastardized to a certain extent by start-ups who use it as a form of "bonus vacation" for long-serving team members.

fernandotakai 9y ago

that's also what i thought -- vacations for me means a month away from work where i don't have to check anything work related (email, slack, pagerduty). according to google, sabbatical is: > a period of paid leave granted to a university teacher or other worker for study or travel, traditionally one year for every seven years worked.

giaour 9y ago
It's paid leave because you're almost always expected to write or finish a substantial piece of scholarship. One month isn't long enough to write a book, so I don't think this is the model Basecamp is following

nhangen 9y ago

Most vacations, at least in the US, are 1 week in length. Upper middle class takes maybe 2 weeks. The wealthy of course take as long as they want. I don't think I've ever had a vacation longer than 10 days.

ryandrake 9y ago
Most jobs I've seen (in the USA) offer up to two weeks of "paid time off" which you need to split between vacation and sickness. The concept of taking more than a contiguous week off per year for an actual vacation must be pretty rare. Usually my vacation days get used for the purpose of running an errand or taking care of a sick kid.
noam87 9y ago
Wow that's awful.
- nhangen 9y ago
  I agree! That's why I became an entrepreneur lol.
  - brianwawok 9y ago
    Then you realize entrepreneurs get even less vacation
    - nhangen 9y ago
      pretty much
  - mdekkers 9y ago
    Since becoming an entrepreneur, I have never had a "vacation" - Sure, I went to different places, but always with laptop and a bag full of assorted devices in tow. I was thinking of going back to a "regular job" for a while, just to relieve some stress. Alas, I had another idea and won't be able to rest until that is built :)