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Bought my Q6600 quad core processor 10 years ago. 10 years on, Intel still refuses to make 8 core processors mainstream to PC. Lucky enough, I don't have to lis
by dis-sys 10y ago
Bought my Q6600 quad core processor 10 years ago. 10 years on, Intel still refuses to make 8 core processors mainstream to PC. Lucky enough, I don't have to listen to Intel's stories on why 8 cores are not useful for PC, I can pay AMD $300 and get Ryzen.
Just bought Intel Optane memory this morning, installed it in my AMD Ryzen DEV machine and it works perfectly without any issue. Interestingly, according to Intel, this is not suppose to happen - you are expected to use both of their latest processor/chipset to run Optane memory!
Now you tell can me who is preventing people from accessing the best techs at reasonable prices.
- runeks 10y agoIntel doesn't make 8-core consumers CPUs because their 4 cores are roughly as fast as 8 AMD cores. So doubling the core count would produce too much heat. https://cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=AMD+Ryzen+7+1800X&id=2966 https://cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=AMD+Ryzen+7+1800X&id=29... https://cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Core+i7-7700 https://cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Core+i7-7700
- kinghajj 10y agocpubenchmark's multithreaded results tend not to scale well with additional cores; comparing results between the two on other better-scaling workloads shows the 1800x blowing the pants off of the 7700k.
- flamedoge 10y agoWell Intel didn't have to because they had peak performing chips for a long time. But now AMD will give Intel run for the money again. Intel focused more on getting better yields(margin) and power related features like much lower idle power and more C, P states, which makes sense if you're at the top. They focused on other loose ends than performance.
- arcanus 10y agoFunny enough, I also have had a Q6600 quad, it just turned 9 a week ago. Great chipset. ...And I also just jumped on the Ryzen train. Finally a good time to be a consumer in CPU-land.
- brusch64 10y agoYeah I am still using a Q6600 in the recording PC in my rehearsal room / home studio. Great CPU - still running and more than fast enough for my recording needs (maximum 16 tracks per take - about 20 tracks per song)
- maksimum 10y ago> Just bought Intel Optane memory this morning, installed it in my AMD Ryzen DEV machine and it works perfectly without any issue. Interestingly, according to Intel, this is not suppose to happen - you are expected to use both of their latest processor/chipset to run Optane memory! How are you measuring Optane working? AFAIK it's supposed to improve boot times and application load times as it learns after a few times without configuration. Are you observing this improvement or does the Optane just show up as a regular storage drive?
- wtallis 10y agoThe Optane Memory hardware is a NVMe SSD. The caching is done in software, and Intel's caching software is locked to their most recent consumer-grade platform (and Windows 10 64-bit, and only caching the boot volume). Using caching is optional; it also makes for a very fast primary storage drive, if you can survive on a mere 32GB. Or you can use non-Intel caching software for Windows or Linux and then the only system requirement for Optane Memory is that you have PCIe lanes to connect it to.
- dis-sys 10y agoYou mean Intel doesn't want to tell the _full_ story? I have to agree with you on that. Official statement from Intel included below - "A system that is Intel® Optane™ memory ready includes: a 7th Gen Intel® Core™ processor, an Intel® 200 series chipset, M.2 type 2280-S1-B-M connector on a PCH Remapped PCIe* Controller and Lanes in a x2 or x4 configuration with B-M keys that meet NVMe* Spec 1.1 and System BIOS that supports the Intel® Rapid Storage Technology (Intel® RST) 15.5 driver." http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/architecture-and-technology/optane-memory.html http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/architecture-and-tech... Did they mention things like "it also makes for a very fast primary storage drive, if you can survive on a mere 32GB" or "you can use non-Intel caching software for Windows or Linux and then the only system requirement for Optane Memory is that you have PCIe lanes to connect it to"
- floatboth 10y agoThey use "Intel® Optane™" to refer to the whole "solution" including their awful Windows-specific hardware-supported caching hack (Rapid Storage Whatever), because that's how they're going to sell it to consumers. Of course the drives are normal NVMe and you can use them as L2ARC+ZIL in ZFS :D
- ww520 10y agoHey, I got the Q6600 too, still running great. Only problem is that the old motherboard has issue accepting new RAM, making it impossible to add RAM beyond 8GB. May be time to get a new system.
- omgtehlion 10y agoMay I chime in here? Still runnung Q6600, bought it from a guy working at intel, as soon as it came out. Overclocked to 3.3GHz (on air cooling, without problems or higher voltage). Replaced only this year because 8G memory is not enough anymore :(
- jlebrech 10y agowhat's the advantage of buying a top tier cpu and refreshing every 10 years over buying a mid tier cpu and upgrading every 3-4 years?
- dis-sys 10y agoNone. My question is what is the advantage of upgrading Intel (quad core) processors every 3-4 years? I bought i7-4770 almost 4 years ago, I couldn't name any single application that is too slow to run on i7-4770 due to its single core performance - the constrain is always the number of cores in a single box.
- jlebrech 10y agotrue, my fx6300 has lasted me 3 years up to now, only a few graphics cards seem to have bottlenecks when I check online.
- strictnein 10y agoUsing Optane as a cache for an HDD is only supposed to work with Intel hardware. Optane can work as a really fast SSD on any system.
- wyldfire 10y agoFor lots of use cases, four cores probably saturate the memory bus. But, yes, Intel does try to protect the Xeon brand and core count is probably part of that story.
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- paulmd 10y agoIntel's 6/8/10-core i7 lineup all has quad-channel memory, so no, neither core count or fatter memory bus is a particular story that's unique to the Xeon brand.
- paulmd 10y agoYou do realize there is an i7 HEDT ("high-end desktop") lineup that has more cores for, oh, 10 years now, right? Intel will happily sell you an unlocked/overclockable 10-core processor. If you have coin, Intel has wares. Having the coin being the key factor here. I won't deny they're expensive. But "computer equipment gets cheaper over time" doesn't make quite as nice a story as THE MAN keeping you down, does it?