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This will always be true for any subjective rating system, i.e. stars, upvotes, etc. The solution is classification instead of ranking. I am more interested i

This will always be true for any subjective rating system, i.e. stars, upvotes, etc. The solution is classification instead of ranking. I am more interested in a Mediterranean place that cooks falafel to order and has tahini sauce than I am in a 4-star Mediterranean restaurant. Conveniently those are all verifiable facts, so there's no need to wrestle with subjectivity.

exolymph 10y ago
> I am more interested in a Mediterranean place that cooks falafel to order and has tahini sauce than I am in a 4-star Mediterranean restaurant. You preferences aren't the mean or the median, I suspect.
- erikpukinskis 10y ago
  So? The point is everyone can filter according to their preferences, not according to some point system which in the end signifies nothing at all.
tedmiston 10y ago
I'm definitely with you on having better categorization and classification and filtering options. Kevin Rose did a short-lived app called Oink [1] a few years ago with the idea of ranking individual dishes at each restaurant. I really thought (and still think) there's a huge potential for this concept. Every day I have some query like "show me all of the places that serve falafel within 15 minutes of me" or "what are all of the shops with sandwiches in my neighborhood?" Running those kinds of queries on the traditional POI sites like Yelp or Google Maps is pretty ineffective. [1]: http://mashable.com/2012/03/14/kevin-roses-oink-folds/ http://mashable.com/2012/03/14/kevin-roses-oink-folds/
- bayonetz 10y ago
  Anybody use here use Oink? How as it? Very interested in this level of granularity for restaurants. Nobody really doing this well.
  - tmaly 10y ago
    I am trying, its just a side project at this point.
- tmaly 10y ago
  I have never heard of it, but I am still going to pursue this space.
citruspi 10y ago
> The solution is classification instead of ranking. > I am more interested in a Mediterranean place that cooks falafel to order and has tahini sauce than I am in a 4-star Mediterranean restaurant. However, just because a Mediterranean place cooks falafel to order and has tahini sauce doesn't mean that they cook the falafel well, that the service is decent, etc. I'm also personally _more_ interested in the availability of falafel and tahini sauce than the number of stars a restaurant has, but I use the ranking/reviews to determine which place would be the most enjoyable to eat at. 70% of the Mediterranean restaurants near me may offer falafel, the question is which of them will not be a subpar experience. Unfortunately rankings/reviews definitely aren't always correct, hence this conversation, but I definitely think they still have a place. Personally I weigh a high number of positive, detailed reviews with photos over the number of stars a restaurant has.
- js2 10y ago
  If you're ever in Raleigh, NC, you'll find the best Mediterranean (specifically Lebanese) at Neomonde/Sitti/Sassool (they are all owned by the same family[1]). In my mind, Neomonde is a local treasure. [1] http://www.neomonde.com/retail/about-us/ http://www.neomonde.com/retail/about-us/
tmaly 10y ago
I have a solution I am working on that might interest you.

exolymph 10y ago

> I am more interested in a Mediterranean place that cooks falafel to order and has tahini sauce than I am in a 4-star Mediterranean restaurant. You preferences aren't the mean or the median, I suspect.

erikpukinskis 10y ago
So? The point is everyone can filter according to their preferences, not according to some point system which in the end signifies nothing at all.

tedmiston 10y ago

I'm definitely with you on having better categorization and classification and filtering options. Kevin Rose did a short-lived app called Oink [1] a few years ago with the idea of ranking individual dishes at each restaurant. I really thought (and still think) there's a huge potential for this concept. Every day I have some query like "show me all of the places that serve falafel within 15 minutes of me" or "what are all of the shops with sandwiches in my neighborhood?" Running those kinds of queries on the traditional POI sites like Yelp or Google Maps is pretty ineffective. [1]: http://mashable.com/2012/03/14/kevin-roses-oink-folds/ http://mashable.com/2012/03/14/kevin-roses-oink-folds/

bayonetz 10y ago
Anybody use here use Oink? How as it? Very interested in this level of granularity for restaurants. Nobody really doing this well.
- tmaly 10y ago
  I am trying, its just a side project at this point.
tmaly 10y ago
I have never heard of it, but I am still going to pursue this space.

citruspi 10y ago

> The solution is classification instead of ranking. > I am more interested in a Mediterranean place that cooks falafel to order and has tahini sauce than I am in a 4-star Mediterranean restaurant. However, just because a Mediterranean place cooks falafel to order and has tahini sauce doesn't mean that they cook the falafel well, that the service is decent, etc. I'm also personally _more_ interested in the availability of falafel and tahini sauce than the number of stars a restaurant has, but I use the ranking/reviews to determine which place would be the most enjoyable to eat at. 70% of the Mediterranean restaurants near me may offer falafel, the question is which of them will not be a subpar experience. Unfortunately rankings/reviews definitely aren't always correct, hence this conversation, but I definitely think they still have a place. Personally I weigh a high number of positive, detailed reviews with photos over the number of stars a restaurant has.

js2 10y ago
If you're ever in Raleigh, NC, you'll find the best Mediterranean (specifically Lebanese) at Neomonde/Sitti/Sassool (they are all owned by the same family[1]). In my mind, Neomonde is a local treasure. [1] http://www.neomonde.com/retail/about-us/ http://www.neomonde.com/retail/about-us/

tmaly 10y ago

I have a solution I am working on that might interest you.