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Its explained at the very beginning of README :) https://github.com/Homebrew/brew/blob/master/docs/Formula-Cookbook.md#homebrew-terminology https://github.com/

by xz0r 9y ago

Its explained at the very beginning of README :) https://github.com/Homebrew/brew/blob/master/docs/Formula-Cookbook.md#homebrew-terminology https://github.com/Homebrew/brew/blob/master/docs/Formula-Co...

gumby 9y ago
Indeed, but when I read that a Keg is an "installation prefix" and a Bottle is a "Pre-built Keg" I give up.
- woodruffw 9y ago
  A "keg" refers to the whole directory structure associated with an installation. A "bottle" is just a tarball containing that structure from a build on the CI, rather than a from-source installation.
  - mmjaa 9y ago
    Still doesn't make any sense whatsoever. You had me at directory structure. Then you lost me at "bottle", had me at tarball again, but by then I was exhausted and don't care any more. Terminology is important because it has application for the end user. I don't get any use out of tap/keg/cask.
    - woodruffw 9y ago
      It makes sense but, like you said, you're exhausted and don't care. Bottles (binary installations) are an addition to Homebrew; it was originally a source-only "package" (really just Ruby scripts that downloaded tarballs and ran `make`) manager. Terminology is important. However, the standard terminology of package management does not always map cleanly to Homebrew's behavior. If the options are inventing our own terms or using preexisting ones unlike everybody else, I'll always go with the former. Edit: I'm mostly thinking of things like "keg" and "bottle"; "tap" could indeed be replaced with "third party/external repository", and a "formula" could be called a "package description" or something equally generic.
nothrabannosir 9y ago
Yay more words and concepts to add to my cognitive load. We already have established terms for these things but why use package and repository when you can invent tableturd and puddlecuddle? When it comes to UI it sometimes feels like programmers go out of their way, to make software get in mine. I'll take it, but I'll keep rolling my eyes and sighing. -.-
- bobwaycott 9y ago
  May I consider using the names tableturd and puddlecuddle for future ideas? :)
- coldtea 9y ago
  >Yay more words and concepts to add to my cognitive load. We already have established terms for these things but why use package and repository when you can invent tableturd and puddlecuddle? Why volunteerily start, develop, and maintain a package manager and its repository, if random people are gonna try to dictate even how you name your packages?
  - mixedCase 9y ago
    Here we go again with another variation of "it's free so you are not allowed to criticize it". Can we move on as a community and drop this?
    - joshmanders 9y ago
      It's free and you are allowed to criticize it. But we're also allowed to criticize your criticism too.
      - thatswrong0 9y ago
        One is legitimate criticism: "It would be easier to use this software if it used more conventional naming." The other isn't even close: "Instead of criticizing this free software, write your own".

by xz0r 9y ago

gumby 9y ago

Indeed, but when I read that a Keg is an "installation prefix" and a Bottle is a "Pre-built Keg" I give up.

woodruffw 9y ago
A "keg" refers to the whole directory structure associated with an installation. A "bottle" is just a tarball containing that structure from a build on the CI, rather than a from-source installation.
- mmjaa 9y ago
  Still doesn't make any sense whatsoever. You had me at directory structure. Then you lost me at "bottle", had me at tarball again, but by then I was exhausted and don't care any more. Terminology is important because it has application for the end user. I don't get any use out of tap/keg/cask.
  - woodruffw 9y ago
    It makes sense but, like you said, you're exhausted and don't care. Bottles (binary installations) are an addition to Homebrew; it was originally a source-only "package" (really just Ruby scripts that downloaded tarballs and ran `make`) manager. Terminology is important. However, the standard terminology of package management does not always map cleanly to Homebrew's behavior. If the options are inventing our own terms or using preexisting ones unlike everybody else, I'll always go with the former. Edit: I'm mostly thinking of things like "keg" and "bottle"; "tap" could indeed be replaced with "third party/external repository", and a "formula" could be called a "package description" or something equally generic.

nothrabannosir 9y ago

Yay more words and concepts to add to my cognitive load. We already have established terms for these things but why use package and repository when you can invent tableturd and puddlecuddle? When it comes to UI it sometimes feels like programmers go out of their way, to make software get in mine. I'll take it, but I'll keep rolling my eyes and sighing. -.-

bobwaycott 9y ago
May I consider using the names tableturd and puddlecuddle for future ideas? :)
coldtea 9y ago
>Yay more words and concepts to add to my cognitive load. We already have established terms for these things but why use package and repository when you can invent tableturd and puddlecuddle? Why volunteerily start, develop, and maintain a package manager and its repository, if random people are gonna try to dictate even how you name your packages?
- mixedCase 9y ago
  Here we go again with another variation of "it's free so you are not allowed to criticize it". Can we move on as a community and drop this?
  - joshmanders 9y ago
    It's free and you are allowed to criticize it. But we're also allowed to criticize your criticism too.
    - thatswrong0 9y ago
      One is legitimate criticism: "It would be easier to use this software if it used more conventional naming." The other isn't even close: "Instead of criticizing this free software, write your own".