> You're just making up scenarios that fit your point of view, without arguing that these correspond to the actual options. No, I gave scenarios that demonstra

> You're just making up scenarios that fit your point of view, without arguing that these correspond to the actual options. No, I gave scenarios that demonstrate why your distinction is not meaningful. If you have a scenario that changes this, can you please explain it? > Are you arguing that there cannot be any distinction between determinism and non-determinism? No, I'm arguing that your "deterministic randomness" is indistinguishable from "nondeterministic randomness". You're trying to define a class of "randomness" to be "deterministic but unknown". Near as I can tell, this is a distinction without a difference.