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You made a false and sweeping statement, and now you're doubling down on it with ever more preposterous absolutes. Your understanding is evidently limited to a

You made a false and sweeping statement, and now you're doubling down on it with ever more preposterous absolutes. Your understanding is evidently limited to a grossly distorted and narrow perspective on the MBA curriculum. In reality, business schools around the world turn out people who are qualified to start and run a company, and this includes R&D processes. Some people may choose electives that lead to middle-management, but others can and do choose electives in starting up, product development, service process design, negotiations etc etc.

tommynicholas 10y ago
I think you're continuing to misunderstand my statement. You're suggesting some MBA programs are good at producing founders. I have no idea if that's true and no opinion. The MBA and all traditional MBA programs were started to produce managers at large companies, there are no exceptions and it is well documented and easily researched.
- inopinatus 10y ago
  You said, and I quote: "No MBA was EVER designed for the R&D part of building a company". This is garbage. Unmitigated, sweeping, unknowing drivel. I understand your claim perfectly well, and you are flat wrong, and apparently from a position of zero awareness. I can correct you authoritatively because a) I have actually completed an MBA, and b) it was one that included comparative studies of R&D processes in the case work and a team-based competitive simulation of managing R&D processes. Along with a toolkit of knowledge that made company formation and launch much easier. This has, as I say, all been super useful in actually building my business. Moving the goalposts to some nineteenth-century context and claiming it's the same thing is, as I said, simply doubling down on the wrong. Also irrelevant.
  - tommynicholas 10y ago
    Your MBA program (or some other MBA program you know of) was designed to specifically to give people the skills to found companies? I doubt strongly that it was. The only exception to this I know is Babson, but I'm not certain whether they qualify their entrepreneurship degree as an MBA or not. I think they don't, but if they do I may have missed the mark by 1. Otherwise what I said is correct.
    - inopinatus 10y ago
      See, there you go again. Changing your statement once more - this time to something that is so specific and twisted from reality to be meaningless, and pretending it is the same thing. I think I'm done here; having presented real-world counterexamples, your claim, which was a gross and simplistic misrepresentation, is dead.
      - tommynicholas 10y ago
        You think I'm moving the ball because you're convinced I'm arguing something I'm not arguing. You're convinced I'm arguing about the value of an MBA rather than why they exist and what they're designed to do. It's possible other people upvoting my original post also misunderstood my point. You think I'm moving the ball to something meaningless because you want to debate the value of an MBA and I don't.

tommynicholas 10y ago

I think you're continuing to misunderstand my statement. You're suggesting some MBA programs are good at producing founders. I have no idea if that's true and no opinion. The MBA and all traditional MBA programs were started to produce managers at large companies, there are no exceptions and it is well documented and easily researched.

inopinatus 10y ago
You said, and I quote: "No MBA was EVER designed for the R&D part of building a company". This is garbage. Unmitigated, sweeping, unknowing drivel. I understand your claim perfectly well, and you are flat wrong, and apparently from a position of zero awareness. I can correct you authoritatively because a) I have actually completed an MBA, and b) it was one that included comparative studies of R&D processes in the case work and a team-based competitive simulation of managing R&D processes. Along with a toolkit of knowledge that made company formation and launch much easier. This has, as I say, all been super useful in actually building my business. Moving the goalposts to some nineteenth-century context and claiming it's the same thing is, as I said, simply doubling down on the wrong. Also irrelevant.
- tommynicholas 10y ago
  Your MBA program (or some other MBA program you know of) was designed to specifically to give people the skills to found companies? I doubt strongly that it was. The only exception to this I know is Babson, but I'm not certain whether they qualify their entrepreneurship degree as an MBA or not. I think they don't, but if they do I may have missed the mark by 1. Otherwise what I said is correct.
  - inopinatus 10y ago
    See, there you go again. Changing your statement once more - this time to something that is so specific and twisted from reality to be meaningless, and pretending it is the same thing. I think I'm done here; having presented real-world counterexamples, your claim, which was a gross and simplistic misrepresentation, is dead.
    - tommynicholas 10y ago
      You think I'm moving the ball because you're convinced I'm arguing something I'm not arguing. You're convinced I'm arguing about the value of an MBA rather than why they exist and what they're designed to do. It's possible other people upvoting my original post also misunderstood my point. You think I'm moving the ball to something meaningless because you want to debate the value of an MBA and I don't.