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An enormous problem is this: "We want someone with years of experience, but we want to only pay an entry-level wage." - If most companies were honest A friend

An enormous problem is this: "We want someone with years of experience, but we want to only pay an entry-level wage." - If most companies were honest A friend of mine is still struggling with this. Nobody wants to hire him, because he doesn't have years of professional experience and didn't have access to a good four-year college where he lives (Nowhere Wisconsin), and there are medical complications preventing him from moving away. I personally taught him a great deal about programming and security. He's studied computers and networks for years before we met. He's talented, coachable, and willing to learn more. The market fails people like him.

jamesmp98 9y ago
Same. I've been programming 6 years now as a hobby, but the only "professional" experience I have is about 2 years of freelancing. On top of that, here in South Carolina, the market is trash and economic problems prevent me from moving to N.C. or G.A.
ef88 9y ago
I haven't been able to obtain a job since graduating in May 2015 with a BS degree in CS. I can do lots of things. I'm even an official contributor for a large, industry project. The market is really brutal. It's geared toward the elite, the few who were privileged enough to be there at the right time.
lolsal 9y ago
> The market fails people like him. How? Doesn't this just imply that there is enough supply for those companies that want to pay a lower wage?
- CiPHPerCoder 9y ago
  > How? Preventing someone from entering the industry fails the person. > Doesn't this just imply that there is enough supply for those companies that want to pay a lower wage? If you ignore the human aspects entirely, sure. There's no telling what heights he could climb to if given the chance, but nobody wants to do that. They want years of professional experience before they hire someone. But they only want to pay entry level wages. This creates a catch-22: If you have the professional experience required, you can find a better paying job elsewhere. If you have no professional experience, you can't get an entry-level position.

jamesmp98 9y ago

Same. I've been programming 6 years now as a hobby, but the only "professional" experience I have is about 2 years of freelancing. On top of that, here in South Carolina, the market is trash and economic problems prevent me from moving to N.C. or G.A.

ef88 9y ago

I haven't been able to obtain a job since graduating in May 2015 with a BS degree in CS. I can do lots of things. I'm even an official contributor for a large, industry project. The market is really brutal. It's geared toward the elite, the few who were privileged enough to be there at the right time.

lolsal 9y ago

> The market fails people like him. How? Doesn't this just imply that there is enough supply for those companies that want to pay a lower wage?

CiPHPerCoder 9y ago
> How? Preventing someone from entering the industry fails the person. > Doesn't this just imply that there is enough supply for those companies that want to pay a lower wage? If you ignore the human aspects entirely, sure. There's no telling what heights he could climb to if given the chance, but nobody wants to do that. They want years of professional experience before they hire someone. But they only want to pay entry level wages. This creates a catch-22: If you have the professional experience required, you can find a better paying job elsewhere. If you have no professional experience, you can't get an entry-level position.