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If it's for developers they don't have to guarantee it. I'm happily running a hackintosh right now. If they made it a little easier we wouldn't have to do weird

by dawnerd 10y ago

If it's for developers they don't have to guarantee it. I'm happily running a hackintosh right now. If they made it a little easier we wouldn't have to do weird hacks to spoof hardware ids just so messages work.

542458 10y ago
I think the iOS "developer previews" have shown that even if you label something as being "unstable and just for developers" you'll still end up with thousands upon thousands of people with no idea what they're doing running it anyways and subsequently being vocally horrified that not everything works perfectly.
- dawnerd 10y ago
  The difference is those people would now have to build hardware instead of just opening itunes and hitting install. You really think those users could get past the bios setup stage?
  - danieldk 10y ago
    people would now have to build hardware No, all kinds of companies will start offering machines as 'ready for macOS', and we'll see the same problems.
- runjake 10y ago
  Hence why Apple implemented the Public Beta program. And it seems to work just fine.
Operyl 10y ago
Those weird hacks exist because of the spambot problem they're trying to prevent. It's enough of a hassle for us that iMessage spambots are practically nonexistent as a result.
- hellbanner 10y ago
  Can you explain further? SMS spam bots can still exist, right?
  - dawnerd 10y ago
    Yep and so does iMessage spam. SMS spam is just easier and works just as well.
  - Operyl 10y ago
    The difference is SMS spam isn't "free", while iMessage spam could be free if they got over the technical barriers.
accountyaccount 10y ago
What happens when developers start selling these boxes and they break? People start hating on Apple because they don't know any better.
intopieces 10y ago
>If it's for developers they don't have to guarantee it. This would only be true in a world where Ars Technica, The Verge, and other publications did not exist. Apple would suffer from poor performance reviews for any sort of driver issue. Plus, "not guaranteed to work" is the opposite of Apple's ethos, which is "it just works." Apple has made it easy enough for hackitoshes to work by being lax with people running MacOS.

by dawnerd 10y ago

542458 10y ago

I think the iOS "developer previews" have shown that even if you label something as being "unstable and just for developers" you'll still end up with thousands upon thousands of people with no idea what they're doing running it anyways and subsequently being vocally horrified that not everything works perfectly.

dawnerd 10y ago
The difference is those people would now have to build hardware instead of just opening itunes and hitting install. You really think those users could get past the bios setup stage?
- danieldk 10y ago
  people would now have to build hardware No, all kinds of companies will start offering machines as 'ready for macOS', and we'll see the same problems.
runjake 10y ago
Hence why Apple implemented the Public Beta program. And it seems to work just fine.

Operyl 10y ago

Those weird hacks exist because of the spambot problem they're trying to prevent. It's enough of a hassle for us that iMessage spambots are practically nonexistent as a result.

hellbanner 10y ago
Can you explain further? SMS spam bots can still exist, right?
- dawnerd 10y ago
  Yep and so does iMessage spam. SMS spam is just easier and works just as well.
- Operyl 10y ago
  The difference is SMS spam isn't "free", while iMessage spam could be free if they got over the technical barriers.

accountyaccount 10y ago

What happens when developers start selling these boxes and they break? People start hating on Apple because they don't know any better.

intopieces 10y ago

>If it's for developers they don't have to guarantee it. This would only be true in a world where Ars Technica, The Verge, and other publications did not exist. Apple would suffer from poor performance reviews for any sort of driver issue. Plus, "not guaranteed to work" is the opposite of Apple's ethos, which is "it just works." Apple has made it easy enough for hackitoshes to work by being lax with people running MacOS.