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I don't understand why this is a problem. There have always been skilled technicians in the mechanical world. Welders, mechanics, lathe operators, craftsmen. T

by rb808 10y ago

I don't understand why this is a problem. There have always been skilled technicians in the mechanical world. Welders, mechanics, lathe operators, craftsmen. There are a huge number of jobs that you need to know how to use computers but dont need to know how to balance a binary tree. I'd think most of the new millennial generation would be perfect match already, and lots of other generations would be keen to do some night courses and/or on the job training to specialize in whatever is needed.

CiPHPerCoder 10y ago
An enormous problem is this: "We want someone with years of experience, but we want to only pay an entry-level wage." - If most companies were honest A friend of mine is still struggling with this. Nobody wants to hire him, because he doesn't have years of professional experience and didn't have access to a good four-year college where he lives (Nowhere Wisconsin), and there are medical complications preventing him from moving away. I personally taught him a great deal about programming and security. He's studied computers and networks for years before we met. He's talented, coachable, and willing to learn more. The market fails people like him.
- jamesmp98 10y ago
  Same. I've been programming 6 years now as a hobby, but the only "professional" experience I have is about 2 years of freelancing. On top of that, here in South Carolina, the market is trash and economic problems prevent me from moving to N.C. or G.A.
- ef88 10y ago
  I haven't been able to obtain a job since graduating in May 2015 with a BS degree in CS. I can do lots of things. I'm even an official contributor for a large, industry project. The market is really brutal. It's geared toward the elite, the few who were privileged enough to be there at the right time.
- lolsal 10y ago
  > The market fails people like him. How? Doesn't this just imply that there is enough supply for those companies that want to pay a lower wage?
  - CiPHPerCoder 10y ago
    > How? Preventing someone from entering the industry fails the person. > Doesn't this just imply that there is enough supply for those companies that want to pay a lower wage? If you ignore the human aspects entirely, sure. There's no telling what heights he could climb to if given the chance, but nobody wants to do that. They want years of professional experience before they hire someone. But they only want to pay entry level wages. This creates a catch-22: If you have the professional experience required, you can find a better paying job elsewhere. If you have no professional experience, you can't get an entry-level position.
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jkaunisv1 10y ago
Judging by the "millennials" (I guess I am one as well) I interact with, at work and through friends, they don't really know how to use computers. I regularly encounter people who finger-peck type very slowly and don't know how to take a screenshot or do simple Excel operations. People often seem to make this false correlation between "using smartphone apps/watching netflix" and "can use a computer productively". Pressing play on the VCR does not qualify me to repair one.

by rb808 10y ago

CiPHPerCoder 10y ago

An enormous problem is this: "We want someone with years of experience, but we want to only pay an entry-level wage." - If most companies were honest A friend of mine is still struggling with this. Nobody wants to hire him, because he doesn't have years of professional experience and didn't have access to a good four-year college where he lives (Nowhere Wisconsin), and there are medical complications preventing him from moving away. I personally taught him a great deal about programming and security. He's studied computers and networks for years before we met. He's talented, coachable, and willing to learn more. The market fails people like him.

jamesmp98 10y ago
Same. I've been programming 6 years now as a hobby, but the only "professional" experience I have is about 2 years of freelancing. On top of that, here in South Carolina, the market is trash and economic problems prevent me from moving to N.C. or G.A.
ef88 10y ago
I haven't been able to obtain a job since graduating in May 2015 with a BS degree in CS. I can do lots of things. I'm even an official contributor for a large, industry project. The market is really brutal. It's geared toward the elite, the few who were privileged enough to be there at the right time.
lolsal 10y ago
> The market fails people like him. How? Doesn't this just imply that there is enough supply for those companies that want to pay a lower wage?
- CiPHPerCoder 10y ago
  > How? Preventing someone from entering the industry fails the person. > Doesn't this just imply that there is enough supply for those companies that want to pay a lower wage? If you ignore the human aspects entirely, sure. There's no telling what heights he could climb to if given the chance, but nobody wants to do that. They want years of professional experience before they hire someone. But they only want to pay entry level wages. This creates a catch-22: If you have the professional experience required, you can find a better paying job elsewhere. If you have no professional experience, you can't get an entry-level position.

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jkaunisv1 10y ago

Judging by the "millennials" (I guess I am one as well) I interact with, at work and through friends, they don't really know how to use computers. I regularly encounter people who finger-peck type very slowly and don't know how to take a screenshot or do simple Excel operations. People often seem to make this false correlation between "using smartphone apps/watching netflix" and "can use a computer productively". Pressing play on the VCR does not qualify me to repair one.