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Media is in reaction to multiple people catching deadly illnesses. Media can also be silenced. Worse, it's not even guaranteed the media catches on that. And it

by pikzen 9y ago

Media is in reaction to multiple people catching deadly illnesses. Media can also be silenced. Worse, it's not even guaranteed the media catches on that. And it'll be extremely localised. FDA rules prevent those events from happening, as well as guaranteeing a baseline for food quality. I'm going to stay with the FDA.

flyingfences 9y ago
> FDA rules prevent those events from happening If that was true then we wouldn't hear about it in the media. We do hear about it, which means that it does still happen, which means that the FDA rules do not prevent those events from happening.
- Spooky23 9y ago
  Murder is illegal as well, yet you still hear about murders. That doesn't mean that the police aren't effective. Public health laws prohibit restaurants from storing raw meat at room temperature in the kitchen. Inspectors routinely find violations, and remediate by fining or even shutting down the restaurant. Likewise, the FDA and USDA regulations are both largely effective and provide a common compliance target for producers and manufacturers to achieve. Sometimes there are issues, and the government has the ability to fine or demand recalls to protect public safety. Many of the systemic gaps, especially in meat production, are a result of de-regulation where the USDA/FDA lost the ability to recall tainted meats and can only request voluntary compliance.
  - flyingfences 9y ago
    You're right; we do still hear about murders. We hear about them because the law does not prevent them from happening. I was not trying to claim that the FDA never does any good. I was directly countering a false claim presented by the person to whom I was replying.
    - pikzen 9y ago
      Since you want to be pedantic, yes, it does not _prevent_. It helps with it not being a daily occurence. Which it would be, were the FDA not there, or had there been no regulations.
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- SnacksOnAPlane 9y ago
  You don't hear about all the times that the FDA actually stopped tainted food products from reaching the market.

by pikzen 9y ago

flyingfences 9y ago

> FDA rules prevent those events from happening If that was true then we wouldn't hear about it in the media. We do hear about it, which means that it does still happen, which means that the FDA rules do not prevent those events from happening.

Spooky23 9y ago
Murder is illegal as well, yet you still hear about murders. That doesn't mean that the police aren't effective. Public health laws prohibit restaurants from storing raw meat at room temperature in the kitchen. Inspectors routinely find violations, and remediate by fining or even shutting down the restaurant. Likewise, the FDA and USDA regulations are both largely effective and provide a common compliance target for producers and manufacturers to achieve. Sometimes there are issues, and the government has the ability to fine or demand recalls to protect public safety. Many of the systemic gaps, especially in meat production, are a result of de-regulation where the USDA/FDA lost the ability to recall tainted meats and can only request voluntary compliance.
- flyingfences 9y ago
  You're right; we do still hear about murders. We hear about them because the law does not prevent them from happening. I was not trying to claim that the FDA never does any good. I was directly countering a false claim presented by the person to whom I was replying.
  - pikzen 9y ago
    Since you want to be pedantic, yes, it does not _prevent_. It helps with it not being a daily occurence. Which it would be, were the FDA not there, or had there been no regulations.
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SnacksOnAPlane 9y ago
You don't hear about all the times that the FDA actually stopped tainted food products from reaching the market.