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Totally unsurprising. I mean, people don't actually think FB is a positive force in the world do they? The science is clear on human's capacity for meaningful/

by rdxm 9y ago

Totally unsurprising. I mean, people don't actually think FB is a positive force in the world do they? The science is clear on human's capacity for meaningful/real realtionships (it's a pretty small number), the anecdotal evidence is also fairly clear on FB's real contributions to society (it's not positive). FB really is the poster child for just how willing we are as a species to roll around in our own feces. It's most definetly a sad commentary on where we are at in general as a society and the contribution it made to the last electoral shitshow is just icing on the cake. Hell, it's also sigularly unsurprising that Zuck is headed to politics, in fact that morass of crap is just about a perfect fit for him.

lepo-tazz 9y ago
This guy has access to everyone's conversation and anyone he wants to talk to at his finger tips and he has gone off on a "listening tour". Says all there needs to be said, about his ability to have a real conversation on his own platform.
- loceng 9y ago
  Zuck: Yeah so if you ever need info about anyone at Harvard Zuck: Just ask. Zuck: I have over 4,000 emails, pictures, addresses, SNS [Redacted Friend's Name]: What? How'd you manage that one? Zuck: People just submitted it. Zuck: I don't know why. Zuck: They "trust me" Zuck: Dumb fucks. - http://www.businessinsider.com/well-these-new-zuckerberg-ims-wont-help-facebooks-privacy-problems-2010-5 http://www.businessinsider.com/well-these-new-zuckerberg-ims... Has he ever acknowledged saying this publicly - or ever spoke about how he fucked over the twin brothers? I want a leader who's transparent, open - honest.
  - kakarot 9y ago
    Might wanna double space those chat logs :)
    - loceng 9y ago
      Oops, thanks for pointing that out :)
  - danso 9y ago
    I don't think he acknowledged saying that, but he was also 19 at the time.
    - loceng 9y ago
      How is age an appropriate excuse to my concerns? My concern is that he can't be transparent and open - meaning his thinking and behaviour will be molded by this. People clearly want to hear the truth out of his mouth, he's a coward - he's afraid of the ramifications of sharing the truth. He hasn't shown he's grown up. If he wants to lead, becoming skillful at self-awareness/growth and relationship building is key.
    - oska 9y ago
      I've seen very little evidence to show that he's improved since then. The ‘free internet’ stunt he tried playing in India recently was disingenuous and machiavellian. Then there's this story. I rarely say this about any public figure apart from politicians but I loathe the guy (and his company).
      - ryanmerket 9y ago
        How exactly was the free internet program disingenuous?
        tgragnato 9y ago
        > https://www.wired.com/2015/05/backlash-facebooks-free-internet-service-grows/ https://www.wired.com/2015/05/backlash-facebooks-free-intern... "I'll do good, trust me."
        placeybordeaux 9y ago
        It was free access to a limited subset of services, it would be a great way to lock in facebook use as it'd be the only social network that would be available. Calling it free internet is disingenuous because it wasn't access to the internet, but rather access to a couple websites.
  - user5994461 9y ago
    >>> I want a leader who's transparent, open - honest. You're not gonna find that in the Holywood drama movie of said leader.
    - loceng 9y ago
      True - not when they are ashamed of their actions and feel the need to hide their past.
- taneq 9y ago
  > Says all there needs to be said, about his ability to have a real conversation on his own platform. I'm going with "people on Facebook think he needs to go out on a 'listening tour' so he did".
loceng 9y ago
"In economics, things take longer to happen than you think they will, and then they happen faster than you thought they could." - Rudi Dornbusch, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rudi_Dornbusch https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rudi_Dornbusch Change is closer than we think.
longesthunt 9y ago
Does anyone think the modern world is a positive force? It didn't happen because it was better for humans.
- zild3d 9y ago
  Yes I certainly do, you are better off today in almost every measurable way than any other time period. Life was really hard, and usually really short. Life expectancy is up 50 years from 1000 years ago, childhood mortality is at its lowest point in history, education rates are at their highest, global poverty is at its lowest. None of these are positive forces to you? What time period would you prefer?
  - aerodeck 9y ago
    It's very easy to live an long, comfortable and unhappy life.
    - dandelion_lover 9y ago
      But I guess it is easier to be happy when you are richer and have a smaller probability to die tomorrow.
      - anigbrowl 9y ago
        No it isn't. Wealthy people just have more options for staving of misery, which isn't the same thing as being happy. I am friends with a few super-wealthy people, one who had access to great wealth through business and another who's a prominent aristocrat. When I say friends, I don't mean that we hang out to drink champagne, but that I'm privy to intimate details of their family/personal lives. Wealth does not inoculate you against crippling emotional problems.
  - longesthunt_ 9y ago
    I was referring to the hunter-gatherer era (the majority of human history). I don't believe we are better off in any way thanks to the modern world. Farmers were able to kill off hunter gatherers, that is all.
dominotw 9y ago
>FB is a positive force in the world do they? Thats how I keep up with my extended family 1000 miles away. I do think it's a positive force in the world.
- louithethrid 9y ago
  Yes, imagine if one of your loved ones had depression and hid it well- facebook could sell him moody movies and suicide literature, while totally raspacting the privacy of cluelessness to the very end. Thank you fb
  - gou2 9y ago
    Or if you are Donald Trump it might convince you from all those like buttons pressed next to your post, that you are the second coming of Christ and only you can save humanity, as long as you continue and keep up your insightful posting.
    - omarchowdhury 9y ago
      That's why there's an anger dislike now.
- sbarre 9y ago
  I am not trying to demean your comment in any way but I will give you an alternate viewpoint.. Back in 2011 I also used Facebook to "keep up" with my distant friends and family. I read their posts, looked at their photos, liked their comments, left notes here and there.. Chatted with them.. Then one day I realized that these were all (for me) extremely shallow interactions, and I decided I would make a better effort to stay in touch. I closed my Facebook account, and made a commitment to reach out directly to the people I cared about. Perhaps less often, but in more meaningful ways. I started sending monthly emails, and scheduling Skype or (eventually) FaceTime calls, and so on.. Fast-forward 6 years of that and I feel much more connected to the distant people I care about in my life than I ever did via Facebook, and almost all of them have reciprocated my efforts at maintaining a better connection.. Again, this is just my story, but you really don't need Facebook to stay in touch with the people you care about, no matter where they are in the world.
vivekd 9y ago
Just because I can only have a few meaningful relationships doesn't mean that I don't like to keep track of what's going on in the lives of my friends and family that I've met over the years. That's a great service. Yes Facebook does bad things from time to time, researching what days of the week teenagers are most likely to post given content does not, in my mind, qualify as an especially nefarious action.
- ninv 9y ago
  Give me a break, we supposed to protect the weak teenagers not sell them to advertisers for exploitation. They are vulnerable they need support at this time not the lucid loop of facebook. This is sad news. Also about your "keep track of what's going on in the lives of ..", just call your friends to find out what is going on in their life. People normally don't post everything on facebook. I think its a great service if you want to know what's going on in Kim Kardashian life.
  - btym 9y ago
    >Also about your "keep track of what's going on in the lives of ..", just call your friends to find out what is going on in their life. I don't understand the need many people have to know what their friends are doing at all times. I check my friends' Snapchat stories sometimes, but usually I just don't care and they can tell me next time I have a conversation with them.
    - anigbrowl 9y ago
      'Why do people like something I do not enjoy?'
      - btym 9y ago
        That's not the question, and I do enjoy knowing what people are doing. What I don't understand is the addiction many people have to social media.
  - anigbrowl 9y ago
WikipediasBad 9y ago
Your post would have some semblance of significance and taken even slightly seriously if it wasn't so hyperbolic. What happened to nuance on HN?
- thr0waway1239 9y ago
  It is as nuanced as the subject matter deserves and perhaps HN is acknowledging it? While the wisdom of the crowds favors the continued existence and growth of Facebook, the wisdom of a tech heavy audience takes a skeptical stance, and the skepticism is heightened when entities such as Facebook and Google are completely robbing us of our privacy one little "byte" at a time. In the time it took you to read my comment, let us just suppose FB and Google just reduced the privacy of your life by about x%, however minuscule you might think x is. The trouble is, despite the vitriol directed at these entities, the rate not only doesn't seem to reduce, it is actually going up every day!
raspasov 9y ago
I don't personally use Facebook much but this is overly pessimistic. Sure, people can get addicted to Facebook (I've seen it happen) but people get addicted to many other bad and harmful things. I tend to prefer Facebook Messenger (messenger.com is great btw - literally a blow up version of an iPad/tablet app). It 100% encourages 1-1 communication and staying in touch with friends since there's nothing else to do there - you can't get sucked into mindless browsing. It doesn't even have any ads as far as I can tell. (edit - typo)
- DanielBMarkham 9y ago
  Sure, people can get addicted to Facebook (I've seen it happen) but people get addicted to many other bad and harmful things. I'm here neither to attack or defend Facebook, but this is a really crappy way of looking at the world. "People suck anyway, so...." You could put just about anything after beginning a sentence like that.
  - raspasov 9y ago
    I agree. I am very curious about ways to prevent people from getting addicted to harmful things or things that they consciously decide to avoid. I am not here to attack or defend Facebook either, but I think accusing them of being bad just because people get addicted to it is not a good measure. People get addicted to smartphones also but I rarely see people critical of the smartphone as a device.

by rdxm 9y ago

lepo-tazz 9y ago

This guy has access to everyone's conversation and anyone he wants to talk to at his finger tips and he has gone off on a "listening tour". Says all there needs to be said, about his ability to have a real conversation on his own platform.

loceng 9y ago
Zuck: Yeah so if you ever need info about anyone at Harvard Zuck: Just ask. Zuck: I have over 4,000 emails, pictures, addresses, SNS [Redacted Friend's Name]: What? How'd you manage that one? Zuck: People just submitted it. Zuck: I don't know why. Zuck: They "trust me" Zuck: Dumb fucks. - http://www.businessinsider.com/well-these-new-zuckerberg-ims-wont-help-facebooks-privacy-problems-2010-5 http://www.businessinsider.com/well-these-new-zuckerberg-ims... Has he ever acknowledged saying this publicly - or ever spoke about how he fucked over the twin brothers? I want a leader who's transparent, open - honest.
- kakarot 9y ago
  Might wanna double space those chat logs :)
  - loceng 9y ago
    Oops, thanks for pointing that out :)
- danso 9y ago
  I don't think he acknowledged saying that, but he was also 19 at the time.
  - loceng 9y ago
    How is age an appropriate excuse to my concerns? My concern is that he can't be transparent and open - meaning his thinking and behaviour will be molded by this. People clearly want to hear the truth out of his mouth, he's a coward - he's afraid of the ramifications of sharing the truth. He hasn't shown he's grown up. If he wants to lead, becoming skillful at self-awareness/growth and relationship building is key.
  - oska 9y ago
    I've seen very little evidence to show that he's improved since then. The ‘free internet’ stunt he tried playing in India recently was disingenuous and machiavellian. Then there's this story. I rarely say this about any public figure apart from politicians but I loathe the guy (and his company).
    - ryanmerket 9y ago
      How exactly was the free internet program disingenuous?
      - tgragnato 9y ago
        > https://www.wired.com/2015/05/backlash-facebooks-free-internet-service-grows/ https://www.wired.com/2015/05/backlash-facebooks-free-intern... "I'll do good, trust me."
      - placeybordeaux 9y ago
        It was free access to a limited subset of services, it would be a great way to lock in facebook use as it'd be the only social network that would be available. Calling it free internet is disingenuous because it wasn't access to the internet, but rather access to a couple websites.
- user5994461 9y ago
  >>> I want a leader who's transparent, open - honest. You're not gonna find that in the Holywood drama movie of said leader.
  - loceng 9y ago
    True - not when they are ashamed of their actions and feel the need to hide their past.
taneq 9y ago
> Says all there needs to be said, about his ability to have a real conversation on his own platform. I'm going with "people on Facebook think he needs to go out on a 'listening tour' so he did".

loceng 9y ago

"In economics, things take longer to happen than you think they will, and then they happen faster than you thought they could." - Rudi Dornbusch, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rudi_Dornbusch https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rudi_Dornbusch Change is closer than we think.

longesthunt 9y ago

Does anyone think the modern world is a positive force? It didn't happen because it was better for humans.

zild3d 9y ago
Yes I certainly do, you are better off today in almost every measurable way than any other time period. Life was really hard, and usually really short. Life expectancy is up 50 years from 1000 years ago, childhood mortality is at its lowest point in history, education rates are at their highest, global poverty is at its lowest. None of these are positive forces to you? What time period would you prefer?
- aerodeck 9y ago
  It's very easy to live an long, comfortable and unhappy life.
  - dandelion_lover 9y ago
    But I guess it is easier to be happy when you are richer and have a smaller probability to die tomorrow.
    - anigbrowl 9y ago
      No it isn't. Wealthy people just have more options for staving of misery, which isn't the same thing as being happy. I am friends with a few super-wealthy people, one who had access to great wealth through business and another who's a prominent aristocrat. When I say friends, I don't mean that we hang out to drink champagne, but that I'm privy to intimate details of their family/personal lives. Wealth does not inoculate you against crippling emotional problems.
- longesthunt_ 9y ago
  I was referring to the hunter-gatherer era (the majority of human history). I don't believe we are better off in any way thanks to the modern world. Farmers were able to kill off hunter gatherers, that is all.

dominotw 9y ago

>FB is a positive force in the world do they? Thats how I keep up with my extended family 1000 miles away. I do think it's a positive force in the world.

louithethrid 9y ago
Yes, imagine if one of your loved ones had depression and hid it well- facebook could sell him moody movies and suicide literature, while totally raspacting the privacy of cluelessness to the very end. Thank you fb
- gou2 9y ago
  Or if you are Donald Trump it might convince you from all those like buttons pressed next to your post, that you are the second coming of Christ and only you can save humanity, as long as you continue and keep up your insightful posting.
  - omarchowdhury 9y ago
    That's why there's an anger dislike now.
sbarre 9y ago
I am not trying to demean your comment in any way but I will give you an alternate viewpoint.. Back in 2011 I also used Facebook to "keep up" with my distant friends and family. I read their posts, looked at their photos, liked their comments, left notes here and there.. Chatted with them.. Then one day I realized that these were all (for me) extremely shallow interactions, and I decided I would make a better effort to stay in touch. I closed my Facebook account, and made a commitment to reach out directly to the people I cared about. Perhaps less often, but in more meaningful ways. I started sending monthly emails, and scheduling Skype or (eventually) FaceTime calls, and so on.. Fast-forward 6 years of that and I feel much more connected to the distant people I care about in my life than I ever did via Facebook, and almost all of them have reciprocated my efforts at maintaining a better connection.. Again, this is just my story, but you really don't need Facebook to stay in touch with the people you care about, no matter where they are in the world.

vivekd 9y ago

Just because I can only have a few meaningful relationships doesn't mean that I don't like to keep track of what's going on in the lives of my friends and family that I've met over the years. That's a great service. Yes Facebook does bad things from time to time, researching what days of the week teenagers are most likely to post given content does not, in my mind, qualify as an especially nefarious action.

ninv 9y ago
Give me a break, we supposed to protect the weak teenagers not sell them to advertisers for exploitation. They are vulnerable they need support at this time not the lucid loop of facebook. This is sad news. Also about your "keep track of what's going on in the lives of ..", just call your friends to find out what is going on in their life. People normally don't post everything on facebook. I think its a great service if you want to know what's going on in Kim Kardashian life.
- btym 9y ago
  >Also about your "keep track of what's going on in the lives of ..", just call your friends to find out what is going on in their life. I don't understand the need many people have to know what their friends are doing at all times. I check my friends' Snapchat stories sometimes, but usually I just don't care and they can tell me next time I have a conversation with them.
  - anigbrowl 9y ago
    'Why do people like something I do not enjoy?'
    - btym 9y ago
      That's not the question, and I do enjoy knowing what people are doing. What I don't understand is the addiction many people have to social media.
- anigbrowl 9y ago

WikipediasBad 9y ago

Your post would have some semblance of significance and taken even slightly seriously if it wasn't so hyperbolic. What happened to nuance on HN?

thr0waway1239 9y ago
It is as nuanced as the subject matter deserves and perhaps HN is acknowledging it? While the wisdom of the crowds favors the continued existence and growth of Facebook, the wisdom of a tech heavy audience takes a skeptical stance, and the skepticism is heightened when entities such as Facebook and Google are completely robbing us of our privacy one little "byte" at a time. In the time it took you to read my comment, let us just suppose FB and Google just reduced the privacy of your life by about x%, however minuscule you might think x is. The trouble is, despite the vitriol directed at these entities, the rate not only doesn't seem to reduce, it is actually going up every day!

raspasov 9y ago

I don't personally use Facebook much but this is overly pessimistic. Sure, people can get addicted to Facebook (I've seen it happen) but people get addicted to many other bad and harmful things. I tend to prefer Facebook Messenger (messenger.com is great btw - literally a blow up version of an iPad/tablet app). It 100% encourages 1-1 communication and staying in touch with friends since there's nothing else to do there - you can't get sucked into mindless browsing. It doesn't even have any ads as far as I can tell. (edit - typo)

DanielBMarkham 9y ago
Sure, people can get addicted to Facebook (I've seen it happen) but people get addicted to many other bad and harmful things. I'm here neither to attack or defend Facebook, but this is a really crappy way of looking at the world. "People suck anyway, so...." You could put just about anything after beginning a sentence like that.
- raspasov 9y ago
  I agree. I am very curious about ways to prevent people from getting addicted to harmful things or things that they consciously decide to avoid. I am not here to attack or defend Facebook either, but I think accusing them of being bad just because people get addicted to it is not a good measure. People get addicted to smartphones also but I rarely see people critical of the smartphone as a device.