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This. They have adapted very, very well. For example: - Mass surveillance and censorship. Over the Internet: State regulated search engines, encyclopedias, ne

This. They have adapted very, very well. For example: - Mass surveillance and censorship. Over the Internet: State regulated search engines, encyclopedias, news, social networks, etc. Baidu, Baike, WeChat... all curated and monitored. - Your credit score can be affected if you don't show alignment with the party. - If you are considered problematic for the party, they can send you to jail, force you into labor, harvest your organs. You name it. There's no press coverage of it. - The People's Liberation Army does not belong to the People's Republic of China, it belongs to the Communist Party of China. Big part of their training is political indoctrination. - China pressures countries to align their vision with theirs. Stay silent about human right violations, Taiwan, Tibet, etc. Even through passive aggressive ways like withdrawing Pandas from your zoo. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panda_diplomacy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panda_diplomacy - All entertainment content is also curated/censored. Hollywood movies need to pass state review if they want to be in the Chinese market.

carterehsmith 9y ago
I find this funny. If we compare that to US or UK or whatever... looks quite similar :) > Mass surveliance and censorship? Yes, we got that. > Your credit score can be affected... Yes, your Zipcode tells everything > If you are considered problematic for the party... Yes, we got that. We get people 'suicided' and then we close the files so that they can't be opened for 50 years or whatever. Got that. > China pressures countries to align their vision with theirs. US, UK, France, Italy etc etc do that too > Contents censored Yup. See 'national board of review'
- refurb 9y ago
  No, we don't "have that as well". If you can't see the difference between censorship in China and US then i don't know what to say.
  - jacquesm 9y ago
    Who needs censorship if you have Cambridge Analytica?
  - alexron782 9y ago
    Well, it depends. For me the Chinese censorship towards google/facebook is not only about politics, it also helps a lot for local companies to become gigantic. In some way they ban google/facebook == US ban Pirate Bay, etc. They harm local businesses.
  - carterehsmith 9y ago
    No, I don't see it. Disclaimer: I know a bunch of people -- friends, colleagues, neighbours etc that are Chinese/or of Chinese descent. 1. - they got here somehow -- was it hard?. No. They did not have to escape on a raft like Cuban exiles. They just left and noone bothered them. 2. - They seem to be communicating with their families in China with no issues. You know, SMS, email etc 3. - They also travel back and forth, this includes kids, parents, grandmas and grandpas. Overall, the funny thing is that I never heard any of my friends/colleagues complain about China. Meantime, CNN and Fox etc keep saying that China is like devil, except worse. Guess who I trust.
    - nl 9y ago
      https://www.google.com/search?q=abu+ghraib+prison https://www.google.com/search?q=abu+ghraib+prison https://www.google.com/search?q=tank+man https://www.google.com/search?q=tank+man One of these searches is incredibly damaging to Chinese interests, one to US interests. Try doing them in each country. At the same time I agree very strongly that China is nothing like the former USSR, let alone the current North Korea.
    - partycoder 9y ago
      But the people you mention, once go back to China, are behind the firewall, and everything they do is subject to surveillance and censorship. Ask your friends if they would feel safe to go and openly/publicly criticize the communist party of China and hear their answers. It only takes them to go and acknowledge membership to Falun Gong/Falun Dafa for them to be put into a organ donor list (while still alive).
  - petre 9y ago
    Censorship in the West is a bit different. It is waged through the "free" mainstream media. Think of it as market share, where the MSM has 90% market share. It doesn't really matter what the other 10% think when they can be either brainwashed by partizan journalism or divided and made irrelevant. The main difference is that there isn't just one ruling party, there are usually two (conservatives and socialists) with their grip on power. If you don't align with them, you're irrelevant - unless they both screw up bigtime like it happened in France.
  - quirkafleeg 9y ago
    You could say what the differences are that you think he can't see, instead of acting as if "no" is a good enough argument or rebuttal.
- partycoder 9y ago
  Do you get steamrolled (not figuratively. literally, with a steamroller) in front of your village if you criticize the prime minister? probably not right? Do you get your organs harvested in jail if you oppose the ruling party? Can you open Wikipedia and read articles that challenge the political views of your leadership? Can you go to a library and buy a book about opposing political systems? Can you study such systems in school? Can an academic have a job if he has opposing political views? Can you vote and pick a guy from another party? Do other parties exist at all? Can you start your own party? So no, it's not the same. You can make all the analogies you want, but there's no equivalence, at least not in the extent in which these things are happening. There is surely shady stuff going on everywhere, and corruption and coverups, but it's still not the same. We even have RT, the Russian station that is mostly propaganda for the Russian Federation leadership views, and you can tune into it if you want and watch it all day if so you prefer.
  - quirkafleeg 9y ago
    > Can you vote and pick a guy from another party? Do other parties exist at all? Can you start your own party? All you're illustrating with this one is that the US does a better job of faking democracy. If China had a pro-establishment Democratic Communist Party alternative to a pro-establishment Communist Party, each sharing 99% of the resources, media, power and influence, along with infinite minnow parties that pose no threat to the system or established order because the system doesn't allow them to, it would be as democratic as the US.
    - partycoder 9y ago
      Maybe a small party will not make it to the presidency because of the issues you have mentioned (to that also add electoral trickery like gerrymandering). But there are many branches of government that can help influence government, and you can also run for office within your state. Here some states have independent senators. In China you don't really have independent branches of government, it's just the Chairman of the party and whatever he wants is what gets done.
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carterehsmith 9y ago

I find this funny. If we compare that to US or UK or whatever... looks quite similar :) > Mass surveliance and censorship? Yes, we got that. > Your credit score can be affected... Yes, your Zipcode tells everything > If you are considered problematic for the party... Yes, we got that. We get people 'suicided' and then we close the files so that they can't be opened for 50 years or whatever. Got that. > China pressures countries to align their vision with theirs. US, UK, France, Italy etc etc do that too > Contents censored Yup. See 'national board of review'

refurb 9y ago
No, we don't "have that as well". If you can't see the difference between censorship in China and US then i don't know what to say.
- jacquesm 9y ago
  Who needs censorship if you have Cambridge Analytica?
- alexron782 9y ago
  Well, it depends. For me the Chinese censorship towards google/facebook is not only about politics, it also helps a lot for local companies to become gigantic. In some way they ban google/facebook == US ban Pirate Bay, etc. They harm local businesses.
- carterehsmith 9y ago
  No, I don't see it. Disclaimer: I know a bunch of people -- friends, colleagues, neighbours etc that are Chinese/or of Chinese descent. 1. - they got here somehow -- was it hard?. No. They did not have to escape on a raft like Cuban exiles. They just left and noone bothered them. 2. - They seem to be communicating with their families in China with no issues. You know, SMS, email etc 3. - They also travel back and forth, this includes kids, parents, grandmas and grandpas. Overall, the funny thing is that I never heard any of my friends/colleagues complain about China. Meantime, CNN and Fox etc keep saying that China is like devil, except worse. Guess who I trust.
  - nl 9y ago
    https://www.google.com/search?q=abu+ghraib+prison https://www.google.com/search?q=abu+ghraib+prison https://www.google.com/search?q=tank+man https://www.google.com/search?q=tank+man One of these searches is incredibly damaging to Chinese interests, one to US interests. Try doing them in each country. At the same time I agree very strongly that China is nothing like the former USSR, let alone the current North Korea.
  - partycoder 9y ago
    But the people you mention, once go back to China, are behind the firewall, and everything they do is subject to surveillance and censorship. Ask your friends if they would feel safe to go and openly/publicly criticize the communist party of China and hear their answers. It only takes them to go and acknowledge membership to Falun Gong/Falun Dafa for them to be put into a organ donor list (while still alive).
- petre 9y ago
  Censorship in the West is a bit different. It is waged through the "free" mainstream media. Think of it as market share, where the MSM has 90% market share. It doesn't really matter what the other 10% think when they can be either brainwashed by partizan journalism or divided and made irrelevant. The main difference is that there isn't just one ruling party, there are usually two (conservatives and socialists) with their grip on power. If you don't align with them, you're irrelevant - unless they both screw up bigtime like it happened in France.
- quirkafleeg 9y ago
  You could say what the differences are that you think he can't see, instead of acting as if "no" is a good enough argument or rebuttal.
partycoder 9y ago
Do you get steamrolled (not figuratively. literally, with a steamroller) in front of your village if you criticize the prime minister? probably not right? Do you get your organs harvested in jail if you oppose the ruling party? Can you open Wikipedia and read articles that challenge the political views of your leadership? Can you go to a library and buy a book about opposing political systems? Can you study such systems in school? Can an academic have a job if he has opposing political views? Can you vote and pick a guy from another party? Do other parties exist at all? Can you start your own party? So no, it's not the same. You can make all the analogies you want, but there's no equivalence, at least not in the extent in which these things are happening. There is surely shady stuff going on everywhere, and corruption and coverups, but it's still not the same. We even have RT, the Russian station that is mostly propaganda for the Russian Federation leadership views, and you can tune into it if you want and watch it all day if so you prefer.
- quirkafleeg 9y ago
  > Can you vote and pick a guy from another party? Do other parties exist at all? Can you start your own party? All you're illustrating with this one is that the US does a better job of faking democracy. If China had a pro-establishment Democratic Communist Party alternative to a pro-establishment Communist Party, each sharing 99% of the resources, media, power and influence, along with infinite minnow parties that pose no threat to the system or established order because the system doesn't allow them to, it would be as democratic as the US.
  - partycoder 9y ago
    Maybe a small party will not make it to the presidency because of the issues you have mentioned (to that also add electoral trickery like gerrymandering). But there are many branches of government that can help influence government, and you can also run for office within your state. Here some states have independent senators. In China you don't really have independent branches of government, it's just the Chairman of the party and whatever he wants is what gets done.
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