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Leave. Its not easy (in fact I know its incredibly hard) but come to the US. Its not perfect, but even though we have an..argumentative democracy we (mostly) ge

by a2tech 9y ago

Leave. Its not easy (in fact I know its incredibly hard) but come to the US. Its not perfect, but even though we have an..argumentative democracy we (mostly) get along. Come and help us be better. Throw your voice and talent in. I have a Turkemen exchange student staying with us right now and they think of Turkey as being overwhelmingly better than Turkmenistan-come to the US which is the same but with Turkey and the Turkmenistan reversed :-)

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pavlov 9y ago
I like a lot of things about the USA, but I'm not sure it's the best destination for a Turkish person. The first reason is practicality. As Trump cracks down on H1B visas, immigrating will become even more difficult than it currently is. The second reason is safety. Of course NYC/SF/LA are fine... But elsewhere in the country there is a rising tide of hate against Middle Easterns. In February, two Indian engineers working at Garmin were murdered in a Kansas bar [1] because a man mistook them for Iranians. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Olathe,_Kansas_shooting https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Olathe,_Kansas_shooting
Mithaldu 9y ago
Recommend any of the north-western/central europe countries instead. Germany, Belgium, Netherlands, Denmark, Norway, Sweden, Austria, Switzerland, heck even Finland. Any of them is a better place to live in than the USA on almost every given axis of measure, and many of them already have plenty turks there providing help and support with integration.
gumby 9y ago
> Leave. Its not easy (in fact I know its incredibly hard) but come to the US. Its not perfect, but even though we have an..argumentative democracy we (mostly) get along. Come and help us be better. Throw your voice and talent in. Your comment is quite ironic to me: I am arranging my affairs so that if I am denied re-entry I can simply pick up somewhere else. (It's rather unlikely I'll be actually expelled). Wait, what? Why should some guy who's had a green card for decades, and doesn't even speed while driving, worry? Who typically avoids making statements interpreted politically (this is an exception)? It's because of the arbitrariness of the law. As someone foreign-born, with a south asian parent, and from time to time a startup tech CEO in Silicon Valley I win the Bannon trifecta. It doesn't matter how many jobs I've created over the years, or wealth for that matter: I would be a fool not to plan ahead. > we (mostly) get along Americans are typically super-nice people, unusually so. But recent actions have been...discouraging. The political rhetoric and action look different to someone in my position. And the often-cited quasi-get-out-of-jail card is to become a US citizen. Well seriously: do you really want to affirmatively join a country if your only way to keep your human rights is to make a loyalty oath? And will it? It's not like the US has always treated its citizens humanely either. If things have really gotten to that point the better thing to do is just leave and create wealth and jobs elsewhere. Don't get me wrong, I love working in Silicon Valley. But I can no longer afford to place all my bets here.

by a2tech 9y ago

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pavlov 9y ago

I like a lot of things about the USA, but I'm not sure it's the best destination for a Turkish person. The first reason is practicality. As Trump cracks down on H1B visas, immigrating will become even more difficult than it currently is. The second reason is safety. Of course NYC/SF/LA are fine... But elsewhere in the country there is a rising tide of hate against Middle Easterns. In February, two Indian engineers working at Garmin were murdered in a Kansas bar [1] because a man mistook them for Iranians. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Olathe,_Kansas_shooting https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Olathe,_Kansas_shooting

Mithaldu 9y ago

Recommend any of the north-western/central europe countries instead. Germany, Belgium, Netherlands, Denmark, Norway, Sweden, Austria, Switzerland, heck even Finland. Any of them is a better place to live in than the USA on almost every given axis of measure, and many of them already have plenty turks there providing help and support with integration.

gumby 9y ago

> Leave. Its not easy (in fact I know its incredibly hard) but come to the US. Its not perfect, but even though we have an..argumentative democracy we (mostly) get along. Come and help us be better. Throw your voice and talent in. Your comment is quite ironic to me: I am arranging my affairs so that if I am denied re-entry I can simply pick up somewhere else. (It's rather unlikely I'll be actually expelled). Wait, what? Why should some guy who's had a green card for decades, and doesn't even speed while driving, worry? Who typically avoids making statements interpreted politically (this is an exception)? It's because of the arbitrariness of the law. As someone foreign-born, with a south asian parent, and from time to time a startup tech CEO in Silicon Valley I win the Bannon trifecta. It doesn't matter how many jobs I've created over the years, or wealth for that matter: I would be a fool not to plan ahead. > we (mostly) get along Americans are typically super-nice people, unusually so. But recent actions have been...discouraging. The political rhetoric and action look different to someone in my position. And the often-cited quasi-get-out-of-jail card is to become a US citizen. Well seriously: do you really want to affirmatively join a country if your only way to keep your human rights is to make a loyalty oath? And will it? It's not like the US has always treated its citizens humanely either. If things have really gotten to that point the better thing to do is just leave and create wealth and jobs elsewhere. Don't get me wrong, I love working in Silicon Valley. But I can no longer afford to place all my bets here.