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I think the key here is to establish chemical diagnosis from clinical diagnosis. There was a vaccine developed for Lyme but since withdrawn. I'd say that Lyme a

I think the key here is to establish chemical diagnosis from clinical diagnosis. There was a vaccine developed for Lyme but since withdrawn. I'd say that Lyme as a chemical condition and subsequent symptoms does exist. But then there are other people that wrongly attribute their problems to Lyme, or there are people with real Lyme that don't all respond consistently to antibiotics. So it has since moved into the too hard or too misunderstood basket. Lyme exists: so what, if doctors (and patients/sufferers) can't get a grip on it, that's part of life too. So you have this guy here who said he was diagnosed with Lyme and was treated for a year and did not improve, and is now not answering questions about Lyme. edit: I bet some doctor's (or the doctor that prescribed) told him that Lyme doesn't exist, or you couldn't have it after all those antibiotics... etc and that's why he's so excited about a Celiac diagnosis (or rather anything but Lyme), because it means he can sweep Lyme under the rug, exactly like the doctor. But it won't help him though, and the doctor who told him to forget about Lyme ultimately doesn't care because he's not the one with it. The edge of science is a fuzzy place, but some people are pushed right up to it!

carbocation 16y ago
For Lyme disease, you literally cannot disentangle the biological diagnosis from the clinical diagnosis. Why? Lyme titers can stay positive indefinitely because you do not measure borrelia directly. It's a spirochete, so this is completely understandable. Once you get infected one time, you will make antibody for years, or indefinitely. This is why the CDC requires biochemical evidence and the right clinical context. Nobody is saying Lyme doesn't exist. Most doctors have diagnosed Lyme - there are over 30,000 reported cases annually. It's neither rare nor controversial. I am saying that Stage 3 Lyme has a specific set of symptoms that are inconsistent with what savemylife describes. Allen Steere is saying that "chronic Lyme" is not an infectious disease caused by borrelia. Savemylife's Lyme diagnosis was done only biochemically, which is not consistent with the CDC diagnostic criteria for reasons I described above. He was then treated for a year - a risky proposition in itself - and was unhelped. Spirochetes are notoriously susceptible to antibiotics. If you only take one dose of doxy, you cure ~75% of all Lyme cases. It's that easy! After 2 weeks of doxy, the cure rate is nearly 100%. After a year, you are simply eradicating native gut flora. He does not have Lyme disease. He has a real problem; this is not it, and pushing him towards sexy, grabbag, but clearly incorrect diagnostic labels helps nobody.

carbocation 16y ago

For Lyme disease, you literally cannot disentangle the biological diagnosis from the clinical diagnosis. Why? Lyme titers can stay positive indefinitely because you do not measure borrelia directly. It's a spirochete, so this is completely understandable. Once you get infected one time, you will make antibody for years, or indefinitely. This is why the CDC requires biochemical evidence and the right clinical context. Nobody is saying Lyme doesn't exist. Most doctors have diagnosed Lyme - there are over 30,000 reported cases annually. It's neither rare nor controversial. I am saying that Stage 3 Lyme has a specific set of symptoms that are inconsistent with what savemylife describes. Allen Steere is saying that "chronic Lyme" is not an infectious disease caused by borrelia. Savemylife's Lyme diagnosis was done only biochemically, which is not consistent with the CDC diagnostic criteria for reasons I described above. He was then treated for a year - a risky proposition in itself - and was unhelped. Spirochetes are notoriously susceptible to antibiotics. If you only take one dose of doxy, you cure ~75% of all Lyme cases. It's that easy! After 2 weeks of doxy, the cure rate is nearly 100%. After a year, you are simply eradicating native gut flora. He does not have Lyme disease. He has a real problem; this is not it, and pushing him towards sexy, grabbag, but clearly incorrect diagnostic labels helps nobody.