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Although I'm a proponent of smoothies over juices, I disagree with this article's stance. The article argues that drinking juice leads to diabetes: "She had al

Although I'm a proponent of smoothies over juices, I disagree with this article's stance. The article argues that drinking juice leads to diabetes: "She had always been overweight and had relatives with diabetes, but she believed she lived a healthy lifestyle. One of the habits that she identified as healthy was drinking freshly squeezed juice, which she saw as a virtuous food, every day. We asked her to stop drinking juice entirely. She left the office somewhat unconvinced, but after three months of cutting out the juice and making some changes to her diet, her diabetes was under control without the need for insulin." Read between the lines: "she had always been overweight ... she made some changes to her diet". I highly doubt that cutting out juice, and juice alone, resulted in the patient living a healthier lifestyle. This is misleading. Unless the patient was downing a gallon of juice every day, eliminating juices—from whole fruit, not processed concentrated crap—would not solve her diabetes.

kpil 9y ago
Yes, and as a milk ad. Milk seems to be associated with various health issues too, and that it's important for children's growth is a dubious claim. But it's clear that drinking large quantities of liquids with a high sugar content (including milk) is not good for you.
VLM 9y ago
Why? I'm not usually an authoritarian but the article seemed to provide a reasonable explanation why, and was written by three doctors working at a diabetes clinic, so "I don't think so" by anonymous internet dude is incredibly unconvincing. Although you provided absolutely no reason why, I could provide a reason that seems perfectly reasonable to a normie, in that its well known to normies that relatively minor arithmetic mistakes by diabetics can result in a under or overdose coma related to insulin intake. Therefore if being a serving off for a diabetic can result in passing out, it seems very reasonable that junk food like juice products could be the difference between insulin and no insulin required for someone near the border. If force feeding a serving of stuff (in this case juice, but it could just as well be candy bars) would make my diabetic coworker really sick, it seems extremely reasonable that cutting out that serving from someone almost as sick, would make their doctor happier. "Unless the patient was downing a gallon of juice every day" A gallon of OJ contains about 2K calories. Two large 16 oz glasses per day, perhaps one with breakfast and one as a snack, adds up to a quart or 500 calories per day. If you multiply that out, that kind of intake is a gain or loss of fifty or so pounds per year, no laughing matter. A gallon of juice per day would be insane, gain a couple pounds per week.
darpa_escapee 9y ago
> Unless the patient was downing a gallon of juice every day, eliminating juices—from whole fruit, not processed concentrated crap—would not solve her diabetes. It's very possible that you're underestimating the effect that drinking 28g - 40g+ of liquid sugar, per serving, has on a diabetic's body. If her body produces enough insulin to handle what she eats throughout the day, even if it isn't conventionally 'healthy', that is diabetes in remission. She may have a damaged pancreas that cannot produce as much insulin as a healthy person, but by virtue of not having constantly high blood sugar, she wouldn't be considered actively diabetic. However, drinking 30-40g of sugar water requires a lot of insulin to reduce blood sugar. It may just be those excessively sugar-rich drinks, that she drinks every day, are enough to overcome her body's natural ability to reduce her blood sugar to a safe amount.

kpil 9y ago

Yes, and as a milk ad. Milk seems to be associated with various health issues too, and that it's important for children's growth is a dubious claim. But it's clear that drinking large quantities of liquids with a high sugar content (including milk) is not good for you.

VLM 9y ago

Why? I'm not usually an authoritarian but the article seemed to provide a reasonable explanation why, and was written by three doctors working at a diabetes clinic, so "I don't think so" by anonymous internet dude is incredibly unconvincing. Although you provided absolutely no reason why, I could provide a reason that seems perfectly reasonable to a normie, in that its well known to normies that relatively minor arithmetic mistakes by diabetics can result in a under or overdose coma related to insulin intake. Therefore if being a serving off for a diabetic can result in passing out, it seems very reasonable that junk food like juice products could be the difference between insulin and no insulin required for someone near the border. If force feeding a serving of stuff (in this case juice, but it could just as well be candy bars) would make my diabetic coworker really sick, it seems extremely reasonable that cutting out that serving from someone almost as sick, would make their doctor happier. "Unless the patient was downing a gallon of juice every day" A gallon of OJ contains about 2K calories. Two large 16 oz glasses per day, perhaps one with breakfast and one as a snack, adds up to a quart or 500 calories per day. If you multiply that out, that kind of intake is a gain or loss of fifty or so pounds per year, no laughing matter. A gallon of juice per day would be insane, gain a couple pounds per week.

darpa_escapee 9y ago

> Unless the patient was downing a gallon of juice every day, eliminating juices—from whole fruit, not processed concentrated crap—would not solve her diabetes. It's very possible that you're underestimating the effect that drinking 28g - 40g+ of liquid sugar, per serving, has on a diabetic's body. If her body produces enough insulin to handle what she eats throughout the day, even if it isn't conventionally 'healthy', that is diabetes in remission. She may have a damaged pancreas that cannot produce as much insulin as a healthy person, but by virtue of not having constantly high blood sugar, she wouldn't be considered actively diabetic. However, drinking 30-40g of sugar water requires a lot of insulin to reduce blood sugar. It may just be those excessively sugar-rich drinks, that she drinks every day, are enough to overcome her body's natural ability to reduce her blood sugar to a safe amount.