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I don't have proof for the following, but I think the article should qualify the type of juice being consumed. I regularly make juice from raw vegetables (ging
by voidmain0001 9y ago
I don't have proof for the following, but I think the article should qualify the type of juice being consumed. I regularly make juice from raw vegetables (ginger, cucumber, carrots, beets, celery, parsley, cilantro, yams, kale, chard, brussel sprouts etc) and I suspect that the sugar content is less than fruit juice. Personally I don't understand why a person would juice a fruit when you can eat it whole? Fruits are so stupidly delicious when eaten whole. In the end, everything in moderation...
- brianwawok 9y ago> Personally I don't understand why a person would juice a fruit when you can eat it whole? I feel the same way about veggies. Raw veggies are awesome.
- mc32 9y agoSome need to be cooked to become edible, others at least fermented; granted many could be eaten raw, just not "all".
- voidmain0001 9y agoTouché. Excellent point.
- _acme 9y agoAnd I generally think most vegetables taste terrible. What's the point of going on about personal preferences here?
- Rapzid 9y agoWhen I used to juice I did a combo. I would eat some raw veggies while cutting them up for juicing. Then, I would eat a can of rinsed beans for protein(warmed with pepper). I've tried to eat the same quantity of raw veggies as what I would juice; LOTS OF WORK. Did I need that much juice? Was I getting the equiv or better of benefit from drinking juice as I would have eating entirely raw? IDK.
- rasur 9y agoSeconded on the + raw vegetables front. You can prise my Champion 2000 juicer from my cold dead hands...
- EGreg 9y agoVegetable juice is indeed better in that it contains less sugar. However, fruits contain acids that can be helpful in moderation for fighting free radicals etc. Also, these days sugar is added to everything, including genetically modified plants, which is pretty much every plant you buy in the supermarket.
- ralfn 9y ago> Also, these days sugar is added to everything, including genetically modified plants Citation needed
- EGreg 9y agoHere are some references - perhaps you will rethink that downvote: Corn is in many things: http://fooderyboston.com/corn-is-everywhere/ http://fooderyboston.com/corn-is-everywhere/ Corn has tons of added sugar through genetic tinkering, as well as many other plants: https://mobile.nytimes.com/2013/05/26/opinion/sunday/breeding-the-nutrition-out-of-our-food.html?pagewanted=all& https://mobile.nytimes.com/2013/05/26/opinion/sunday/breedin... Within one generation, the new extra sugary varieties eclipsed old-fashioned sweet corn in the marketplace. Build a sweeter fruit or vegetable — by any means — and we will come. Today, most of the fresh corn in our supermarkets is extra-sweet. The kernels are either white, pale yellow, or a combination of the two. The sweetest varieties approach 40 percent sugar, bringing new meaning to the words “candy corn.” Only a handful of farmers in the United States specialize in multicolored Indian corn, and it is generally sold for seasonal decorations, not food. We’ve reduced the nutrients and increased the sugar and starch content of hundreds of other fruits and vegetables. How can we begin to recoup the losses?
- ralfn 9y ago>Here are some references - perhaps you will rethink that downvote: Yeah, i'm actually surprised about this. Im not in the US, so i don't know how well it all compares with the supermarket here. As for rethinking my downvote. It seems i can't un-downvote you. Maybe there is a time-limit?
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- scurvy 9y agoDon't beets contain a lot of sugar? Isn't that what table sugar is refined from these days?
- voidmain0001 9y agoThey must. I add them occasionally to sweeten the end product.
- maxerickson 9y agoThere are vegetable beets (really purple, starchy) and sugar beets. Sugar beets account for a significant chunk of sugar production but not a majority.
- scurvy 9y agoAh! Thanks for the clarification! Also, I screwed up when I said table sugar. I meant commercial sugar used in things. Table sugar still comes from sugar plants.
- maxerickson 9y agoIt's just sucrose, lots of table sugar does come from sugar beets.
- pyre 9y agoThere are also golden beets: http://imavex.vo.llnwd.net/o18/clients/urbanfarm/images/Beets/Burpee_Golden_Beet_Seeds.jpg http://imavex.vo.llnwd.net/o18/clients/urbanfarm/images/Beet...
- dghughes 9y agoInterestingly and somewhat related conversation-wise, for people with diabetes sweet potatoes are a better choice than regular potatoes. A sweet potato (48) has a lower glycemic index and more fiber than regular white flesh potatoes (76). Also interesting is a banana (52) should be eaten in moderation by anyone with diabetes, moderate index but less fiber? I have relatives with diabetes but needed to eat a banana for the potassium but all they were allowed was half a banana. My skinny vegetable eating family on my mom's side have type 2 diabetes mainly the women of the family. My overweight, ex-smoking, little to no exercise family on my dad's side don't have type 2 diabetes except one. And sugar doesn't cause diabetes like so many people seem to say on the Internet. You certainly crave sweets but sugar isn't the cause of type 2 diabetes. Eating lots fiber for slowing sugar absorption and for feeding your good gut flora in your microbiome seems to be the key to many things in life and health.
- makecheck 9y agoIt is also frustrating to see the waste produced. The machines pulverize and discard lots of fruit that would otherwise be eaten. And the employees at smoothy places end up just pouring out whatever is left in their blender that doesn't fit in the cup so even the juice is wasted.
- jbverschoor 9y agoI bake cookies out of the pulp
- pacaro 9y agoIn my experience, if you're on good terms with the staff at your juice place, they'll often put the extra in a second cup for you. Edit: I agree that the waste is ridiculous
- skybrian 9y agoOn the other hand, if you buy it in a store it's likely made from fruit that didn't look good enough to sell.
- pyre 9y agoSmoothies and juice are different. If you are juicing something, you are straining out all of pulp and just ending up with a liquid. For a smoothie, the pulp is still in the drink, just pulverized.
- dragonwriter 9y ago> If you are juicing something, you are straining out all of pulp No, that's not part of the definition of juicing, and juicing oranges, especially, without straining out all the pulp is common.
- d--b 9y agoOrange juice has about the same amount of sugar as regular coke. Carrot / tomato / beet has about half of that, green veggies have very little.
- inDigiNeous 9y agoThere is a big difference in natural sugars contained in orange juice (and I'm talking about self made orange juice here, not these boxed juices you can buy at a store) than the white, processed, probably also containing high glycose syrup -sugar you find in a coke.
- arcticbull 9y agoNeither has pulp, and the various sugars are free-floating. With no fiber to slow its absorption or to make you feel full. If you extracted the sugar it'd be white too. Oranges contain glucose, fructose and sucrose. The ratios of fructose and glucose are pretty much the same in both fruit and table sugar. Most fruits are 40 to 55 percent fructose (there’s some variation: 65 percent in apples and pears; 20 percent in cranberries), and table sugar (aka sucrose) is 50/50. [1] Your Coke is 42-55% fructose. [2] Are there differences in vitamins and minerals? Yep. Fiber? Nope. Sugar? Nope. And the latter two are the biggest deal IMO. [1] http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/29/fruit-sugar-versus-white-sugar_n_3497795.html http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/29/fruit-sugar-versus-... [2] https://examine.com/nutrition/is-hfcs-high-fructose-corn-syrup-worse-than-sugar/ https://examine.com/nutrition/is-hfcs-high-fructose-corn-syr...
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- ralfn 9y ago>I don't have proof for the following, Which is true for most statements in this thread. But for no good reason. These are all verifiable/falsifiable statements. There is an obvious objective truth but everyone is just cargo culting. Question: which vitamins are in your juices? Are these vitamins you dont get enough in your normal diet or from the sun? How much of those do you actually need and does that mean you need 1 or 2 glasses a year?
- smallnamespace 9y agoAll of your questions are actually unanswerable with certainty from the current state of nutritional science if you replace the word 'vitamin' with 'nutrient'. Actual plant food or fruit is loaded with phytochemicals like polyphenols, carotenoids, flavonoids, etc. most of which we seem to be able to survive without, but at the same time exert real testable effects on our metabolism and immune systems. But we don't know in detail what those effects are yet since there are literally tens of thousands of these compounds, and we've only just started to scratch the surface.
- ralfn 9y ago>All of your questions are actually unanswerable with certainty from the current state of nutritional science if you replace the word 'vitamin' with 'nutrient'. Well, my questions were open ended in nature. "We don't know" would be a perfectly objective thing to say about a lot of stuff. But even if there are very few 'confirmed' food facts (i.e. we dont know anything), that does not exclude the possibility that there are many 'rejected' food beliefs, since those statements are not open questions. For example: many people belief that the more vitamins they eat the healthier they get. Every scientific experiment falsified this statement! That doesn't mean we know what makes people healthy, but we can still know that 'health is a proportional relationship to vitamin intake' is a bullshit belief not backed up by any experiment. Science can and has rejected hypotheses, without the requirement that they replace it with anything. "We don't know" is perfectly acceptable. "Drink this high vitamin juice, it will make your life last longer" means the person uttering those words is either a fraud or an idiot.
- dajohnson89 9y agoWhole fruits are messy and time consuming.
- maxxxxx 9y agoYou must be kidding
- _acme 9y agoEating an orange involves a great deal of time and effort, and results in a lot of mess and stickiness.
- koolba 9y agoSure but the journey has a value of its own. I find preparing food, particularly monotonous peeling and chopping to be almost zen like.
- piaste 9y agoThat's highly subjective. I don't, for example.
- koolba 9y agoSure it's very subjective. On the other extreme I think something like Soylent is downright terrible.
- dajohnson89 9y agoAnd I love it! I'm enjoying some right now, while my coworkers argue about where to go and spend $10 for lunch.
- GordonS 9y agoMessy, sure, but 'a great deal of time an effort'? Really? It takes a matter of seconds to peel an orange.
- dajohnson89 9y agoWhole fruits are messy and time consuming.
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- juicingman 9y agoThank you, at least one other voice of reason in the comments. People just don't get it: a hamburger will spike insulin more than a whole can of soda. Fruit juice doesn't do that nearly as much. It is healthy, or at least, way healthier than the standard American diet.
- nopit 9y agoSurely you can come up with some proof then
- SippinLean 9y agoJuicing fruits and vegetables will always result in a product where the sugar:fiber ratio is much higher than just consuming the food whole (or blended in a smoothie).