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So why exactly do we have a crippled desktop experience in Windows 10 now? Because it needed to look like a platform that effectively doesn't exist anymore? An

by dep_b 10y ago

So why exactly do we have a crippled desktop experience in Windows 10 now? Because it needed to look like a platform that effectively doesn't exist anymore? And I like Windows Phone a lot. Perfect for people that just wanted a simple phone with decent support.

UnoriginalGuy 10y ago
> So why exactly do we have a crippled desktop experience in Windows 10 now? We don't? Can you clarify what you're referring to?
- thiht 10y ago
  I don't get why you're being downvoted, I find the Windows 10 experience to be excellent on desktop and on the Surface. I get that some people might disagree with this, but could they at least care to explain why instead of downvoting?
catmanjan 10y ago
I think the desktop is more closely related to the tablet platform than mobiles.
avaer 10y ago
Surface still exists. And there's still warts in the uncanny valley between mouse and touch, but I wouldn't call Windows 10 crippled. I'm more puzzled at UX problems in OSX, where there isn't the excuse of having to support hundreds of vendors.
dugditches 10y ago
I recently got an older Surface Pro 1st gen. And it came with Windows 8.1. And I reminded how awful the UI was compared to 10. That mix between Tablet/Touch and Desktop, when Microsoft was in a very pigheaded way. The true 'crippled' nature of Windows 10 isn't the UI. It's the intrusive always on Updates, Apps, ads on your desktop, popups on your lockscreen, etc that 'cripple' it.
- sbarre 10y ago
  > The true 'crippled' nature of Windows 10 isn't the UI. It's the intrusive always on Updates, Apps, ads on your desktop, popups on your lockscreen, etc that 'cripple' it. I have a WIndows 10 PC and have never seen any of these things (ads, popups, etc).. Windows Update is on, but why would I not want that? It's on all my other systems and devices. Hyperbole serves no one...
  - freehunter 10y ago
    I've seen a lot of articles about Microsoft pushing ads on the lock screen and have come to realize they mean the wallpapers that have the Bing logo at the bottom or a nice looking picture from the app store. People are also mad that there's a link in the file explorer to try out OneDrive (funny enough I'm staring at an iCloud Drive link on my Mac's file explorer right now and no one seems to care) and articles started to blow up about how to remove it. So now people are convinced that it's a problem and that they have to get rid of it or Microsoft wins. Also updating your software is a bad thing, because this is 1994 and no one ever attacks Internet-facing computer systems.
akhilcacharya 10y ago
In what way is the desktop experience crippled? The way I use it is petty much identical to my Windows 7 experience.
- deciplex 10y ago
  The desktop experience is awful just from an aesthetics point of view because you've got two flavors of look and feel and you've got to jump from one to the other constantly to get anything done. You want users to develop an intuition for how to do things with your UI, and that's quite a lot harder when they've got to manage one set of intuitions for your tablet-like interface, and another set of intuitions for your legacy desktop interface. Now I'm not a big fan of the Surface look and feel at all. It feels out of place on a desktop. But, I'd settle with it if they would just use it consistently, instead of forcing me to switch back and forth. And, while migrating functionality from one to the other, stuff gets dropped. Just as one extremely annoying example that I discovered recently: there is no way to manage networks without digging into the registry. In Windows 7 you can bring up Network and Sharing Center and click on the network icon (the house or the bench) for your active network. This brings you to the Network Properties dialog from which you can merge or delete redundant networks. It's a small thing but it does start to get annoying when you're on "home-network 17", and especially if you're a mobile user this happens a lot. In Windows 7 this is really easy to resolve - the feature has been completely removed from Windows 10 (the icon isn't even there anymore). The only way to resolve it that I've found is to use regedit. That's one small example, but the OS is littered with this stuff. It's just really poorly designed and frustrating to work with, and while I'm happy with the improvements to the OS under the hood, the surface stuff is just so awful that I'm seriously considering switching my laptop back to Windows 7.
giancarlostoro 10y ago
I would of loved to have ditched Android for Windows Mobile but the hardware options were poor. I couldn't find a phone that had any challenging specs to the Android options. I care mostly about battery life these days, if Microsoft would of released more phones and with competitive specs I would probably still have one of their phones. I only saw one option on my carrier, and it had 8 hours of battery life, compared to phones that boasted 22 hours of battery life it's not very impressive.
- dalfonso 10y ago
  would have
  - giancarlostoro 10y ago
    English is my second language, so I apologize for that?
- Eridrus 10y ago
  I had a Windows Phone, battery life was much better than the Nexus 5/X phones I've had since. Windows Phone was much better about resource usage than Android, so the numbers you saw were pretty meaningless. The lack of apps was a real issue though.
  - qohen 10y ago
    > The lack of apps was a real issue though. About apps: recently -- i.e. just during the past few weeks -- I've been seeing adaptations of top-tier designr board-games -- e.g. Terra Mystica and Galaxy Trucker -- showing up for Windows Phone, in addition to iOS/Android. Previously, adaptations like this were essentially unheard of. I've been wondering what has changed to make this happen, if anyone has any ideas -- e.g. have Windows Phone tablets reached a critical mass that would make Windows Phone an increasingly attractive platform for these games?
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by dep_b 10y ago

UnoriginalGuy 10y ago

> So why exactly do we have a crippled desktop experience in Windows 10 now? We don't? Can you clarify what you're referring to?

thiht 10y ago
I don't get why you're being downvoted, I find the Windows 10 experience to be excellent on desktop and on the Surface. I get that some people might disagree with this, but could they at least care to explain why instead of downvoting?

catmanjan 10y ago

I think the desktop is more closely related to the tablet platform than mobiles.

avaer 10y ago

Surface still exists. And there's still warts in the uncanny valley between mouse and touch, but I wouldn't call Windows 10 crippled. I'm more puzzled at UX problems in OSX, where there isn't the excuse of having to support hundreds of vendors.

dugditches 10y ago

I recently got an older Surface Pro 1st gen. And it came with Windows 8.1. And I reminded how awful the UI was compared to 10. That mix between Tablet/Touch and Desktop, when Microsoft was in a very pigheaded way. The true 'crippled' nature of Windows 10 isn't the UI. It's the intrusive always on Updates, Apps, ads on your desktop, popups on your lockscreen, etc that 'cripple' it.

sbarre 10y ago
> The true 'crippled' nature of Windows 10 isn't the UI. It's the intrusive always on Updates, Apps, ads on your desktop, popups on your lockscreen, etc that 'cripple' it. I have a WIndows 10 PC and have never seen any of these things (ads, popups, etc).. Windows Update is on, but why would I not want that? It's on all my other systems and devices. Hyperbole serves no one...
- freehunter 10y ago
  I've seen a lot of articles about Microsoft pushing ads on the lock screen and have come to realize they mean the wallpapers that have the Bing logo at the bottom or a nice looking picture from the app store. People are also mad that there's a link in the file explorer to try out OneDrive (funny enough I'm staring at an iCloud Drive link on my Mac's file explorer right now and no one seems to care) and articles started to blow up about how to remove it. So now people are convinced that it's a problem and that they have to get rid of it or Microsoft wins. Also updating your software is a bad thing, because this is 1994 and no one ever attacks Internet-facing computer systems.

akhilcacharya 10y ago

In what way is the desktop experience crippled? The way I use it is petty much identical to my Windows 7 experience.

deciplex 10y ago
The desktop experience is awful just from an aesthetics point of view because you've got two flavors of look and feel and you've got to jump from one to the other constantly to get anything done. You want users to develop an intuition for how to do things with your UI, and that's quite a lot harder when they've got to manage one set of intuitions for your tablet-like interface, and another set of intuitions for your legacy desktop interface. Now I'm not a big fan of the Surface look and feel at all. It feels out of place on a desktop. But, I'd settle with it if they would just use it consistently, instead of forcing me to switch back and forth. And, while migrating functionality from one to the other, stuff gets dropped. Just as one extremely annoying example that I discovered recently: there is no way to manage networks without digging into the registry. In Windows 7 you can bring up Network and Sharing Center and click on the network icon (the house or the bench) for your active network. This brings you to the Network Properties dialog from which you can merge or delete redundant networks. It's a small thing but it does start to get annoying when you're on "home-network 17", and especially if you're a mobile user this happens a lot. In Windows 7 this is really easy to resolve - the feature has been completely removed from Windows 10 (the icon isn't even there anymore). The only way to resolve it that I've found is to use regedit. That's one small example, but the OS is littered with this stuff. It's just really poorly designed and frustrating to work with, and while I'm happy with the improvements to the OS under the hood, the surface stuff is just so awful that I'm seriously considering switching my laptop back to Windows 7.

giancarlostoro 10y ago

I would of loved to have ditched Android for Windows Mobile but the hardware options were poor. I couldn't find a phone that had any challenging specs to the Android options. I care mostly about battery life these days, if Microsoft would of released more phones and with competitive specs I would probably still have one of their phones. I only saw one option on my carrier, and it had 8 hours of battery life, compared to phones that boasted 22 hours of battery life it's not very impressive.

dalfonso 10y ago
would have
- giancarlostoro 10y ago
  English is my second language, so I apologize for that?
Eridrus 10y ago
I had a Windows Phone, battery life was much better than the Nexus 5/X phones I've had since. Windows Phone was much better about resource usage than Android, so the numbers you saw were pretty meaningless. The lack of apps was a real issue though.
- qohen 10y ago
  > The lack of apps was a real issue though. About apps: recently -- i.e. just during the past few weeks -- I've been seeing adaptations of top-tier designr board-games -- e.g. Terra Mystica and Galaxy Trucker -- showing up for Windows Phone, in addition to iOS/Android. Previously, adaptations like this were essentially unheard of. I've been wondering what has changed to make this happen, if anyone has any ideas -- e.g. have Windows Phone tablets reached a critical mass that would make Windows Phone an increasingly attractive platform for these games?
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