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> do kids get to progress to the next level regardless of performance in an annual exam (like the US "no child left behind" policy), or do they have to have to
by wolfgke 10y ago
> do kids get to progress to the next level regardless of performance in an annual exam (like the US "no child left behind" policy), or do they have to have to repeat a year/level if they fail?
Typically in Germany there is/was a three-tiered system after the 4th class: Hauptschule (5th to 9th year), Realschule (5th to 10th year) and Gymnasium (5th to 12th or 13th year). With a degree at a Hauptschule you can only begin an apprenticeship at some jobs, with a degree on a Realschule an apprenticeship in all jobs and with a Gymnasium degree (Abitur) you are allowed to study at a university or Fachhochschule ("Fachhochschule" is often translated with "school of applied science", but I think there is no real translation, since this is a very German concept: You study some applied subject (traditionally engineering) there with little focus on research question, but it is a lot more school-like than universities (few elective subjects, "more like sitting in a classroom").
This basic three-tiered system has now been convoluted (for example often "Hauptschule" and "Realschule" are often combined into a "Sekundarschule" (translating this with "secondary school" is in my opinion a false friend) or there also exist comprehensive schools that encompass all three tiers, but I think you get the basic idea.
To what kind of secondary school you may go is decided on the marks in the 4th class.
Now to your question: If your marks are too bad, you have to repeat a year (which reflects badly in your CV!) or (also not untypical) are "advised" to switch to a "lower tier" school. Details for these rules change all the time, but I would consider it as typical that at most one 5 (second worst mark) is allowed in a primary subject and at most two 5s are allowed in all subjects for passing. Also no 6 (worst mark) is allowed for passing.
Also it is often very typical that at a Gymnasium that you have to have good marks to be allowed to attend the Oberstufe (11th to 12th or 13th year) - otherwise you only get a "Realschulabschluss/erweiterter Sekundarschulabschluss" (two different names for mostly the same concept).
- markdown 10y agoSounds complicated. I can see the logic in separating kids into groups of equivalent aptitude. I wonder how they arrived at the 5th class being where the categorisation happens. I appreciate you explaining it, thank you.
- wolfgke 10y ago> Sounds complicated. What mostly makes it very complicated is that education is administered on a federal state level instead of national level - so it is different in each federal state. If I were to describe it for "my" federal state, the description would be simpler. > I wonder how they arrived at the 5th class being where the categorisation happens. The most plausible explanation to me is "historical". But I can assure you that this is/was a hotly disputed political topic. For example in my federal state I think 15 years ago it was decided that this separation should rather be after the 6th year. The result: A giant rush on privately run Gymnasien (German plural of "Gymnasium") that started with the 5th class for the reason that parents feared that their kid doesn't get the educational stimulation "it should deserve" if it has to sit together with "less smart kids" for even two more years. This state government was unelected in the next election (and this topic played a large role in the election campaigns) and the next state government reintroduced the separation after the 4th year (which I support), but introduced other controversial ideas in the education system (which nevertheless were not of the kind that induces "fears that 'my' kid doesn't get the educational stimulation 'it should deserve'" - so there was no large public outcry). In short: If a state government wants to replace the two- or three-tiered system by more comprehensive schools or wants to touch the "holy grail" that separation happens after the 4th year, the party will be punished in the next election - these are "very emotional topics", where both sides will fight tooth and nail.
- markdown 10y agoPeople (myself included) usually have very strong ideas about how they think their children should be raised and educated. I appreciate your informative responses. Thank you.