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> a fresh start might not be the worst outcome. The article gave the implication of having a locked-down internet reminiscent of China's -- losing net neutrali

> a fresh start might not be the worst outcome. The article gave the implication of having a locked-down internet reminiscent of China's -- losing net neutrality doesn't necessarily mean losing this centralized, tracking and surveillance tool for mass marketing and spying. I would love to hear your definition of 'fresh start'.

nebabyte 9y ago
I'm guessing they're holding out for a meshnet. Less realistically likely to be implemented at scale (and scale is what makes the internet as wonderful as it is) anytime soon than uber's moonshot of building their autonomous fleet in time tbh Also even if that is it it would solve nothing, [0] [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14220269 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14220269
bamboozled 9y ago
De-centralised models such as IPFS [1] seem promising. Mesh networks sound perfect for local / focused communities to keep in touch. Fresh start may have been the wrong wording, how about fresh approach? Rather than just settling for what we have, begin experimenting with new technological approaches and new architectures in the hope what we have can rework what we have now, drastically. Moving to better more open models. It's odd how quickly technology moves in other fields except not much has changed with regards to how the world builds and consumes the Internet over the last few decades, this lack of progress might be deliberate as it's in clearly certain groups interest to have it this way. [1] https://ipfs.io/ https://ipfs.io/
- studentrob 9y ago
  This is also discussed elsewhere in this thread. Why reinvent the wheel just to get around people who are messing up the old wheel? Plus, any new network is susceptible to the same sort of lobbying and moneyed interests plaguing the existing internet. We will need to be forever vigilant in order to maintain our right to have equal access to data. Some have noted that even a constitutional amendment guaranteeing net neutrality rights could be rolled back, since that has precedent under rolling back prohibition.
  - nickpsecurity 9y ago
    "Plus, any new network is susceptible to the same sort of lobbying and moneyed interests plaguing the existing internet." BOOM! If corrupt politicians are the problem, then they'll be the problem no matter what you do if it threatens the interests of incumbents paying them. So, you have to fight the real battle.
    - studentrob 9y ago
      I don't know that I'd call it corrupt. I may be in the minority here.. I feel politicians ought to seek expert advice, and that's naturally going to come from lobbyists. "Lobbying" is a bad word these days. I don't know why. Our vote will kick lobbyists' butts any day. Barney Frank says so and I believe him, "If the voters have a position, the votes will kick money's rear end any time. I've never met a politician-- I've been in the legislative bodies for 40 years now-- who, choosing between a significant opinion in his or her district and a number of campaign contributors, doesn't go with the district." [1] Without the vote, politicians are out of their favorite job. This was posted on HN awhile back, Frank's advice on how to deal with the Trump admin [2]. I think it bears repeating, particularly in the face of this net neutrality debate. [1] http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/461/transcript http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/461/t... [2] https://mic.com/articles/167878/barney-frank-heres-how-to-not-waste-your-time-pressuring-lawmakers#.zi7HkdrWv https://mic.com/articles/167878/barney-frank-heres-how-to-no...
      - nickpsecurity 9y ago
        "I don't know that I'd call it corrupt. I may be in the minority here.. I feel politicians ought to seek expert advice, and that's naturally going to come from lobbyists." The politicians receive campaign money from these companies. They then do what's in these companies' interests even when it harms their voters they're responsible to. That's corruption. Here's a nice article with plenty of details I just found: https://www.publicintegrity.org/2014/08/28/15404/how-big-telecom-smothers-city-run-broadband https://www.publicintegrity.org/2014/08/28/15404/how-big-tel...

nebabyte 9y ago

I'm guessing they're holding out for a meshnet. Less realistically likely to be implemented at scale (and scale is what makes the internet as wonderful as it is) anytime soon than uber's moonshot of building their autonomous fleet in time tbh Also even if that is it it would solve nothing, [0] [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14220269 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14220269

bamboozled 9y ago

De-centralised models such as IPFS [1] seem promising. Mesh networks sound perfect for local / focused communities to keep in touch. Fresh start may have been the wrong wording, how about fresh approach? Rather than just settling for what we have, begin experimenting with new technological approaches and new architectures in the hope what we have can rework what we have now, drastically. Moving to better more open models. It's odd how quickly technology moves in other fields except not much has changed with regards to how the world builds and consumes the Internet over the last few decades, this lack of progress might be deliberate as it's in clearly certain groups interest to have it this way. [1] https://ipfs.io/ https://ipfs.io/

studentrob 9y ago
This is also discussed elsewhere in this thread. Why reinvent the wheel just to get around people who are messing up the old wheel? Plus, any new network is susceptible to the same sort of lobbying and moneyed interests plaguing the existing internet. We will need to be forever vigilant in order to maintain our right to have equal access to data. Some have noted that even a constitutional amendment guaranteeing net neutrality rights could be rolled back, since that has precedent under rolling back prohibition.
- nickpsecurity 9y ago
  "Plus, any new network is susceptible to the same sort of lobbying and moneyed interests plaguing the existing internet." BOOM! If corrupt politicians are the problem, then they'll be the problem no matter what you do if it threatens the interests of incumbents paying them. So, you have to fight the real battle.
  - studentrob 9y ago
    I don't know that I'd call it corrupt. I may be in the minority here.. I feel politicians ought to seek expert advice, and that's naturally going to come from lobbyists. "Lobbying" is a bad word these days. I don't know why. Our vote will kick lobbyists' butts any day. Barney Frank says so and I believe him, "If the voters have a position, the votes will kick money's rear end any time. I've never met a politician-- I've been in the legislative bodies for 40 years now-- who, choosing between a significant opinion in his or her district and a number of campaign contributors, doesn't go with the district." [1] Without the vote, politicians are out of their favorite job. This was posted on HN awhile back, Frank's advice on how to deal with the Trump admin [2]. I think it bears repeating, particularly in the face of this net neutrality debate. [1] http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/461/transcript http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/461/t... [2] https://mic.com/articles/167878/barney-frank-heres-how-to-not-waste-your-time-pressuring-lawmakers#.zi7HkdrWv https://mic.com/articles/167878/barney-frank-heres-how-to-no...
    - nickpsecurity 9y ago
      "I don't know that I'd call it corrupt. I may be in the minority here.. I feel politicians ought to seek expert advice, and that's naturally going to come from lobbyists." The politicians receive campaign money from these companies. They then do what's in these companies' interests even when it harms their voters they're responsible to. That's corruption. Here's a nice article with plenty of details I just found: https://www.publicintegrity.org/2014/08/28/15404/how-big-telecom-smothers-city-run-broadband https://www.publicintegrity.org/2014/08/28/15404/how-big-tel...