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Im would very much prefer a "combatative society" as you call it, one where a philosopher is free to challenge any idea, no matter how holy of a cow it is decla

Im would very much prefer a "combatative society" as you call it, one where a philosopher is free to challenge any idea, no matter how holy of a cow it is declared. Where the protection of any feeling whatsoever is not used as a battering ram against debate. I rather be in a shouting match with someone who violently disagrees and gives me new perspectives, then in a society that silent threats any disagreement to death. To be a adult in my opnion means, to be able to handle a rough outside world that constantly atttacks any firm believe i hold. To utilize courts as a artifical replacement parent to create a protected environment, from facts, from ideas, from the very reality of hostility - that breaks down, once not enough economic shield energy is left- what good is that for. There is after all still the ability, to stop hugging the cactee, turn off that source of media, sit on a meditating pillow and softly shake your head until the arguments to drive back that opposing view emerge from the subconcious stream. I want a fightcloub of thoughts, insults are great, if they reveal something on the human condition, on what the person im dealing with really thinks and why it its that way and what society can do to realy change that. Not some ilusion of peace at paper-gunpoint, but a real understanding of what we made of allowing for real advances. Not this potemking village of civility, that falls apart at the first twitter huff and puff.

unityByFreedom 9y ago
> Im would very much prefer a "combatative society" as you call it, one where a philosopher is free to challenge any idea I meant combative as in leads to physical altercation. Raising mental tensions can lead to that. We already have a very open combative philosophical society. You're not jailed for any of your speech. That's not true in much of the world. Perhaps you consider that a low bar, but, in terms of human development, I'd consider it state-of-the-art. I agree with you that a lot of society doesn't want open debate. But, it is legal, and if you crave it, there are venues for it. Debate club, politics, or really anywhere. There's a difference between legal and cultural. The widespread cultural change you're seeking is much more difficult to achieve than simply making open discourse legal. And, arguably, making everyone talk and react the way you want, combatively, goes against your desire for everyone to have freedom to say what they please. In fact, you have that freedom, you just don't want to deal with the reaction from society. > To utilize courts as a artifical replacement parent to create a protected environment, from facts, from ideas, from the very reality of hostility - that breaks down, once not enough economic shield energy is left- what good is that for Civility? If no courts, then what? Only money, and total rule by the wealthy? That doesn't sound sustainable. The existence of courts naturally leads to upholding our written law, which needs to be interpreted as well as applied. > There is after all still the ability, to stop hugging the cactee, turn off that source of media, sit on a meditating pillow and softly shake your head until the arguments to drive back that opposing view emerge from the subconcious stream. If there's one thing on which we agree it's this. > Not some ilusion of peace at paper-gunpoint, but a real understanding of what we made of allowing for real advances. Not this potemking village of civility, that falls apart at the first twitter huff and puff. It sounds like you want better communication. I do too. I think we're getting there. Honestly to me the world doesn't seem so bad, and I'm sure you have hobbies that you enjoy. I'm going to do some today. Hope you will too!

unityByFreedom 9y ago

> Im would very much prefer a "combatative society" as you call it, one where a philosopher is free to challenge any idea I meant combative as in leads to physical altercation. Raising mental tensions can lead to that. We already have a very open combative philosophical society. You're not jailed for any of your speech. That's not true in much of the world. Perhaps you consider that a low bar, but, in terms of human development, I'd consider it state-of-the-art. I agree with you that a lot of society doesn't want open debate. But, it is legal, and if you crave it, there are venues for it. Debate club, politics, or really anywhere. There's a difference between legal and cultural. The widespread cultural change you're seeking is much more difficult to achieve than simply making open discourse legal. And, arguably, making everyone talk and react the way you want, combatively, goes against your desire for everyone to have freedom to say what they please. In fact, you have that freedom, you just don't want to deal with the reaction from society. > To utilize courts as a artifical replacement parent to create a protected environment, from facts, from ideas, from the very reality of hostility - that breaks down, once not enough economic shield energy is left- what good is that for Civility? If no courts, then what? Only money, and total rule by the wealthy? That doesn't sound sustainable. The existence of courts naturally leads to upholding our written law, which needs to be interpreted as well as applied. > There is after all still the ability, to stop hugging the cactee, turn off that source of media, sit on a meditating pillow and softly shake your head until the arguments to drive back that opposing view emerge from the subconcious stream. If there's one thing on which we agree it's this. > Not some ilusion of peace at paper-gunpoint, but a real understanding of what we made of allowing for real advances. Not this potemking village of civility, that falls apart at the first twitter huff and puff. It sounds like you want better communication. I do too. I think we're getting there. Honestly to me the world doesn't seem so bad, and I'm sure you have hobbies that you enjoy. I'm going to do some today. Hope you will too!