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I'm not sure you're being serious. Do you carefully read the EULA or TOS of everything you pay for, line by line? Do you consult a lawyer about how to parse t

I'm not sure you're being serious. Do you carefully read the EULA or TOS of everything you pay for, line by line? Do you consult a lawyer about how to parse the legalese? If not, you've almost certainly also committed fraud of the same degree.

VotreReb 9y ago
There's a difference between reading the EULA/TOS and lying to gain access to something you shouldn't. If you're knowingly lying to gain access something, you don't need a EULA/TOS to know you shouldn't be doing it.
- blowski 9y ago
  You are very defensive of PayPal in this thread. Do you have a connection with them in any way?
- TheSpiceIsLife 9y ago
  17 or 18 years old. It's an arbitrary distinction. I don't think many people would have an issue with anyone saying they were 18 to get an online account. This isn't the same as lying with the intent to cause harm. It would have been simpler for everyone if PayPal had given him an option to agree to new TOS now they've picked the discrepancy. Anyway, children can have bank accounts and own real estate and shares. Having a PayPal account at the age of 17 is less offensive than farting in an elevator.
  - DanBC 9y ago
    > It's an arbitrary distinction. Paypal can enforce the contract terms against people 18 years old or older. They can't (in england) against people aged 17 or younger. > children can have bank accounts Those accounts are restricted.
    - TheSpiceIsLife 9y ago
      True and true. I meant to say that we -society- has arbitrarily selected age 18 for enforcement of contracts.
VotreReb 9y ago
I think you're getting confused as you don't know about the fact that you can not signup to Paypal under the age of 18, unless you lie about your DOB. IE; if you're 17 and put your DOB into the Paypal signup process, it literally stops you from signing up. This person lied to get an account.
- rspeer 9y ago
  Do you have any evidence that PayPal's sign-up process 10 years ago included verifying that you were over 18, or are you just making things up?
- imdsm 9y ago
  This is pure conjecture. Unless you can prove that "it literally stop[ped] you from signing up" in 2007, then you have no credibility. I remember signing up to PayPal in 2003 at the age of 14 without lying about my age. I did a lot of the things OP did, web dev, hosting costs, etc. These days, I only use PP (all fresh accounts, for anyone at PayPal reading this with your ban hammer out, put it away won't you?) when I have to, and even then, through gritted teeth.

VotreReb 9y ago

There's a difference between reading the EULA/TOS and lying to gain access to something you shouldn't. If you're knowingly lying to gain access something, you don't need a EULA/TOS to know you shouldn't be doing it.

blowski 9y ago
You are very defensive of PayPal in this thread. Do you have a connection with them in any way?
TheSpiceIsLife 9y ago
17 or 18 years old. It's an arbitrary distinction. I don't think many people would have an issue with anyone saying they were 18 to get an online account. This isn't the same as lying with the intent to cause harm. It would have been simpler for everyone if PayPal had given him an option to agree to new TOS now they've picked the discrepancy. Anyway, children can have bank accounts and own real estate and shares. Having a PayPal account at the age of 17 is less offensive than farting in an elevator.
- DanBC 9y ago
  > It's an arbitrary distinction. Paypal can enforce the contract terms against people 18 years old or older. They can't (in england) against people aged 17 or younger. > children can have bank accounts Those accounts are restricted.
  - TheSpiceIsLife 9y ago
    True and true. I meant to say that we -society- has arbitrarily selected age 18 for enforcement of contracts.

VotreReb 9y ago

I think you're getting confused as you don't know about the fact that you can not signup to Paypal under the age of 18, unless you lie about your DOB. IE; if you're 17 and put your DOB into the Paypal signup process, it literally stops you from signing up. This person lied to get an account.

rspeer 9y ago
Do you have any evidence that PayPal's sign-up process 10 years ago included verifying that you were over 18, or are you just making things up?
imdsm 9y ago
This is pure conjecture. Unless you can prove that "it literally stop[ped] you from signing up" in 2007, then you have no credibility. I remember signing up to PayPal in 2003 at the age of 14 without lying about my age. I did a lot of the things OP did, web dev, hosting costs, etc. These days, I only use PP (all fresh accounts, for anyone at PayPal reading this with your ban hammer out, put it away won't you?) when I have to, and even then, through gritted teeth.