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I am just saying that the "newest" tools in Python are more stable and if you pick a popular framework or package in Python chances are good it will still be ac

I am just saying that the "newest" tools in Python are more stable and if you pick a popular framework or package in Python chances are good it will still be active years later. Whereas JS community seems to have ADHD and things like TypeScript come along in the JS world. The cost of learning and staying modern in JS and front end development in particular is high. It does create meaningful new ideas but it is a mess compared to investing in almost any other popular language. So, I learned Angular 1 for a project. Some concept there really are everywhere (promises, DI), but you might as well not even call Anuglar 2 Angular. It is totally different and even getting started in it took so much effort I gave up. I have almost never done that as a hacker. But the sheer amount of stuff to install and learn just to implement Hello World was more than I was willing to deal with at the time.

zackify 9y ago
It's not as high as you would think. Everyone here loves to complain how fast things come along but the following is true for any language. If you know the fundamentals of JS you can do anything. It's not hard to spend a Saturday trying out Vue or webpack or React and decide what stack is best for your company. If you can't spend the time to find the right tooling and your excuse is that things move too fast, it sounds like you're complaining about learning and using the latest technologies, which I don't get as a developer. I personally find it exciting how everything is going. It's also easy to stick to your stack thanks to yarn which will lock in your dependencies so you don't have to worry. Lastly, creating a hello world app in React or vue can be extremely simple. I haven't used angular much so I can't attest to it. But after all that, I can see why some people would be frustrated. Being on the inside and doing js for the past 3 years it's more exciting than looking in. We keep getting new awesome language additions as of late!
- bitexploder 9y ago
  I do worry it's just a Python bias I have. But it clearly isn't just me. I have been using Go and can get things done there pretty easily. JS th language isn't any harder than Go or Python. It isn't the language. If I spent a few years my senses would be honed for avoiding traps -- but I feel I can do that in many other languages and ecosystems much easier as a novice. Maybe it is just the size of th JS world.

zackify 9y ago

It's not as high as you would think. Everyone here loves to complain how fast things come along but the following is true for any language. If you know the fundamentals of JS you can do anything. It's not hard to spend a Saturday trying out Vue or webpack or React and decide what stack is best for your company. If you can't spend the time to find the right tooling and your excuse is that things move too fast, it sounds like you're complaining about learning and using the latest technologies, which I don't get as a developer. I personally find it exciting how everything is going. It's also easy to stick to your stack thanks to yarn which will lock in your dependencies so you don't have to worry. Lastly, creating a hello world app in React or vue can be extremely simple. I haven't used angular much so I can't attest to it. But after all that, I can see why some people would be frustrated. Being on the inside and doing js for the past 3 years it's more exciting than looking in. We keep getting new awesome language additions as of late!

bitexploder 9y ago
I do worry it's just a Python bias I have. But it clearly isn't just me. I have been using Go and can get things done there pretty easily. JS th language isn't any harder than Go or Python. It isn't the language. If I spent a few years my senses would be honed for avoiding traps -- but I feel I can do that in many other languages and ecosystems much easier as a novice. Maybe it is just the size of th JS world.