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Nope, US needs more Turkey, not less. Erdogan is democratically elected leader, and yes, he is changing and breaking things, but he is still ELECTED. Turkey is

by sremani 10y ago

Nope, US needs more Turkey, not less. Erdogan is democratically elected leader, and yes, he is changing and breaking things, but he is still ELECTED. Turkey is going through transformation, and it will come out of it stronger and mostly becoming pillar of Middle East. In an already chaotic part of the world, pushing Turkey to brink to satiate your "bleeding heart" will cause more death and destruction not less.

Larrikin 10y ago
Isn't this the same argument for leaving Assad alone in Syria?
- sremani 10y ago
  Of course, it is. If Assad loses Chrisitians and Alawites will be massacred in Syria. A more honest assessment is, Gaddaffi, thanks to regime change, you have slave trade live and well in Libya. Pick your poison. Its always easy to say, replace this.. but it much harder to replace it with what? Middle East is not a choice about good and evil, it always present two bad choices, I choose the ones in which fewer people die.
PythonicAlpha 10y ago
>Turkey is going through transformation, and it will come out of it stronger and mostly becoming pillar of Middle East. Like Nazi Germany grew stronger and stronger and grew to be the leader of Europe (+)? ((+) until it was vanquished of course by democratic countries -- but where do you find democratic countries, when you need one?)
- sremani 10y ago
  Every strongman is not a hitler, mao or stalin. Especially, when they come through with largely "free" elections. Abuse of power as President is different from putting 6 million people in gas chambers and marching around and being responsible for deaths to 10s of millions of people. Lets have some perspective here, Please!
  - PythonicAlpha 10y ago
    Hitler came out of largely "free" elections. I don't think, that every despot is similar to Hitler, but still it is a despot. BTW: How do you recognize a despot: He behaves like one. Just open your eyes!
    - nickpeterson 10y ago
      To be fair, the issue here is that he seemed to be an undesirable despot. A good despot is actually better than a democracy, but they are just terribly risky every regime change. And a bad despot is.. well, terrible.
aluhut 10y ago
What is strong about that massive paranoia this guy and his corrupt gang is displaying for months now? And how the hell do you get the idea that this behavior is something that would be accepted anywhere in the 21st century? FYI: in democratic elections, you don't put the opposition in jail first and control the media in a way that the ones you've left don't even get a chance to reach the population or tell them in a honest way what is currently happening. I'm sure all those vote manipulations are also part of democratic elections in your eyes eh?

by sremani 10y ago

Larrikin 10y ago

Isn't this the same argument for leaving Assad alone in Syria?

sremani 10y ago
Of course, it is. If Assad loses Chrisitians and Alawites will be massacred in Syria. A more honest assessment is, Gaddaffi, thanks to regime change, you have slave trade live and well in Libya. Pick your poison. Its always easy to say, replace this.. but it much harder to replace it with what? Middle East is not a choice about good and evil, it always present two bad choices, I choose the ones in which fewer people die.

PythonicAlpha 10y ago

>Turkey is going through transformation, and it will come out of it stronger and mostly becoming pillar of Middle East. Like Nazi Germany grew stronger and stronger and grew to be the leader of Europe (+)? ((+) until it was vanquished of course by democratic countries -- but where do you find democratic countries, when you need one?)

sremani 10y ago
Every strongman is not a hitler, mao or stalin. Especially, when they come through with largely "free" elections. Abuse of power as President is different from putting 6 million people in gas chambers and marching around and being responsible for deaths to 10s of millions of people. Lets have some perspective here, Please!
- PythonicAlpha 10y ago
  Hitler came out of largely "free" elections. I don't think, that every despot is similar to Hitler, but still it is a despot. BTW: How do you recognize a despot: He behaves like one. Just open your eyes!
  - nickpeterson 10y ago
    To be fair, the issue here is that he seemed to be an undesirable despot. A good despot is actually better than a democracy, but they are just terribly risky every regime change. And a bad despot is.. well, terrible.

aluhut 10y ago

What is strong about that massive paranoia this guy and his corrupt gang is displaying for months now? And how the hell do you get the idea that this behavior is something that would be accepted anywhere in the 21st century? FYI: in democratic elections, you don't put the opposition in jail first and control the media in a way that the ones you've left don't even get a chance to reach the population or tell them in a honest way what is currently happening. I'm sure all those vote manipulations are also part of democratic elections in your eyes eh?