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Just FYI, Youtube is heavilly sensored in the Czech Republic (we have very strong laws against political extremism, like jail time for extreme right wing speech

Just FYI, Youtube is heavilly sensored in the Czech Republic (we have very strong laws against political extremism, like jail time for extreme right wing speech..). But I don't know of any actual domains that are blocked. The government doesn't need a great firewall to censor. They can simply slap a 2 year jail sentence on anyone who shares a right wing video and that's enough to get youtube to censor itself. Edit: I mean extreme right wing, like KKK, nazi stuf ect.

briandear 10y ago
Is there jail time for extreme left wing speech? Like Che Guevara, Mao, Hugo Chavez? Not arguing -- just genuinely curious how extremism is defined there.
- timthelion 10y ago
  You are very unlikely to go to jail for left wing speech. This isn't a matter of placement on a political spectrum though. The law is as follow: 1) No Nazi symbolism outside of a historic context. 2) No inciting racial hatred. 3) No expression of hatred against a protected minority (the wealthy are not a protected minority). These are very easy to prove, but none of them apply to normal left wingers. There are Islamist left wingers that fall into these categories because of their anti-semeticism or anti Christian sentiments. 4) No denying crimes against humanity. This DOES apply to left wingers. If you deny Stalin's genocide against the Ukrainians that would be illegal. It also equally applies to holocaust deniers. I don't know how often it comes up though. 5) No speach which undermines democratic values and seeks to opress others. I don't think that this is ever actually used. Though it might apply against left wingers.
  - thenomad 10y ago
    One note on this: some elements of the extreme left-wing have in the past had tendencies toward antisemitism, which obviously fits into 2) and potentially 1). So that's one issue.
    - timthelion 10y ago
      Yeah, but I don't think that anything of value is said by people who incite racial hatred or use Nazi symbols... Denial of crimes against humanity, though, I see as a big mistake. I know, I know, we've all beaten the Holocaust to death... But when it comes to anti-capitalist and anti-comunist thinkers there is a great deal to talk about. For example, anti-communists will tell you that Mao commit genocide during the great leap forward. Reasonable people disagree. I, as an anti-capitalist, will tell you, that the quality of food sold in primarily black neighborhoods in the US is much lower than elsewhere in the country, that millions of blacks die as a result, and that this is an act of genocide against blacks. Obviously, a lot of white Americans would disagrees with me, and I think it would not be a good thing if they all went to jail for doing so...
      - MugaSofer 9y ago
        I don't think that fits the legal definition of crimes against humanity, although there's admittedly a fine line between that and e.g. some of the famines in the USSR.
  - literallycancer 10y ago
    5) was used to disband the DS? Although I guess you could say that was 2) and 3) too.
    - timthelion 10y ago
      Ds is still going strong isn't it? http://www.dsss.cz/ http://www.dsss.cz/ Wait, you're right https://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/D%C4%9Blnick%C3%A1_strana https://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/D%C4%9Blnick%C3%A1_strana it was banned as a threat to democracy. That lasted long...
- taway_1212 10y ago
  In Poland, the same laws prohibit (meaning - jail time) spreading fascist and communist ideas.
nebabyte 10y ago
So the videos are still accessible and can simply be shared offline? Just use a URL shortener and print up links to pass around. Sneakernet still can't be tracked
- timthelion 10y ago
  It says "this video is not available in your country." I don't really need to spend my time and energy spreading holocaust denial and ISIS beheading videos ;)
lottin 10y ago
The UK, France, Spain and possibly others have laws against "glorifying terrorism". In Germany, Nazi symbols and propaganda are banned. I don't necessarily agree with these laws, but this is quite different from blocking the entire Wikipedia.
literallycancer 10y ago
I just checked, and there is no apparent censorship of youtube going on (e.g. you can find Czech neo-nazi music without any issues).
- timthelion 10y ago
  You are right that it the censorship is incomplete to the point of sillyness. It is TRIVIAL to find extremist content that isn't blocked. That doesn't mean that some videos are not blocked though.

briandear 10y ago

Is there jail time for extreme left wing speech? Like Che Guevara, Mao, Hugo Chavez? Not arguing -- just genuinely curious how extremism is defined there.

timthelion 10y ago
You are very unlikely to go to jail for left wing speech. This isn't a matter of placement on a political spectrum though. The law is as follow: 1) No Nazi symbolism outside of a historic context. 2) No inciting racial hatred. 3) No expression of hatred against a protected minority (the wealthy are not a protected minority). These are very easy to prove, but none of them apply to normal left wingers. There are Islamist left wingers that fall into these categories because of their anti-semeticism or anti Christian sentiments. 4) No denying crimes against humanity. This DOES apply to left wingers. If you deny Stalin's genocide against the Ukrainians that would be illegal. It also equally applies to holocaust deniers. I don't know how often it comes up though. 5) No speach which undermines democratic values and seeks to opress others. I don't think that this is ever actually used. Though it might apply against left wingers.
- thenomad 10y ago
  One note on this: some elements of the extreme left-wing have in the past had tendencies toward antisemitism, which obviously fits into 2) and potentially 1). So that's one issue.
  - timthelion 10y ago
    Yeah, but I don't think that anything of value is said by people who incite racial hatred or use Nazi symbols... Denial of crimes against humanity, though, I see as a big mistake. I know, I know, we've all beaten the Holocaust to death... But when it comes to anti-capitalist and anti-comunist thinkers there is a great deal to talk about. For example, anti-communists will tell you that Mao commit genocide during the great leap forward. Reasonable people disagree. I, as an anti-capitalist, will tell you, that the quality of food sold in primarily black neighborhoods in the US is much lower than elsewhere in the country, that millions of blacks die as a result, and that this is an act of genocide against blacks. Obviously, a lot of white Americans would disagrees with me, and I think it would not be a good thing if they all went to jail for doing so...
    - MugaSofer 9y ago
      I don't think that fits the legal definition of crimes against humanity, although there's admittedly a fine line between that and e.g. some of the famines in the USSR.
- literallycancer 10y ago
  5) was used to disband the DS? Although I guess you could say that was 2) and 3) too.
  - timthelion 10y ago
    Ds is still going strong isn't it? http://www.dsss.cz/ http://www.dsss.cz/ Wait, you're right https://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/D%C4%9Blnick%C3%A1_strana https://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/D%C4%9Blnick%C3%A1_strana it was banned as a threat to democracy. That lasted long...
taway_1212 10y ago
In Poland, the same laws prohibit (meaning - jail time) spreading fascist and communist ideas.

nebabyte 10y ago

So the videos are still accessible and can simply be shared offline? Just use a URL shortener and print up links to pass around. Sneakernet still can't be tracked

timthelion 10y ago
It says "this video is not available in your country." I don't really need to spend my time and energy spreading holocaust denial and ISIS beheading videos ;)

lottin 10y ago

The UK, France, Spain and possibly others have laws against "glorifying terrorism". In Germany, Nazi symbols and propaganda are banned. I don't necessarily agree with these laws, but this is quite different from blocking the entire Wikipedia.

literallycancer 10y ago

I just checked, and there is no apparent censorship of youtube going on (e.g. you can find Czech neo-nazi music without any issues).

timthelion 10y ago
You are right that it the censorship is incomplete to the point of sillyness. It is TRIVIAL to find extremist content that isn't blocked. That doesn't mean that some videos are not blocked though.