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Denmark, Finland, France and many other countries censor The Pirate Bay: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Countries_blocking_access_to_The_Pirate_Bay https://en.wi

by dragly 9y ago

Denmark, Finland, France and many other countries censor The Pirate Bay: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Countries_blocking_access_to_The_Pirate_Bay https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Countries_blocking_access_to_T...

masklinn 9y ago
So… that's a case of dishonestly conflating shutting down a locally illegal operations and speech/political censorship. Hardly helping the case.
- briandear 9y ago
  The French definitely censor more than just pirate sites.
- C4K3 9y ago
  Denmark censors a lot more than just TPB, though it is probably the one website that causes most people to circumvent the censorship. In Denmark it all started out with blocking child porn sites, then it was expanded to copyright infringement, then it was expanded to companies operating illegally (counterfeit goods stores, illegal gambling, alternative medicine stores) and most recently the government started blocking "terror propaganda" [1] - which means they have begun censoring political speech. This is in spite of a constitution forbidding censorship, with the counterpoint being that since it's technically private companies doing the censorship, it doesn't violate the constitution. Even though ISPs will be taken to court if they don't censor sites [2] [1] https://www.information.dk/indland/2016/10/statsligt-debattoerkorps-forhindre-online-radikalisering https://www.information.dk/indland/2016/10/statsligt-debatto... [2] https://www.version2.dk/artikel/dansk-internetudbyder-traekkes-i-retten-manglende-dns-blokering-57006 https://www.version2.dk/artikel/dansk-internetudbyder-traekk...
- dragly 9y ago
  Sorry, but I did not intend to compare or conflate the two cases. I wanted to give an answer to the parent poster why those countries might be listed on the above site.
sverhagen 9y ago
That link says: blocking access due to copyright issues. Respectfully, I don't think you're doing justice to the Turkish freedom of speech issue of Wikipedia being blocked by bringing up The Pirate Bay.
- jerheinze 9y ago
  > That link says: blocking access due to copyright issues. Respectfully, I don't think you're doing justice to the Turkish freedom of speech issue of Wikipedia being blocked by bringing up The Pirate Bay. Can we both agree that both of these things shouldn't happen and ThePirateBay and Wikipedia shouldn't be censored by any country?
  - epmaybe 9y ago
    Sure, but there's a time and a place, if you know what I mean. One directly undermines access to information, whereas another has to do with copyright law.
    - flyingfences 9y ago
      Torrents contain information. Blocking torrent aggregators directly undermines access to information.
- dragly 9y ago
  I did not mean to compare the two cases at all and am sorry if it came out that way. I just wanted to answer the parent post on 'what the "anomalies" this site detects in Denmark, Finland, and France represent' by pointing out that TPB is blocked/censored in these countries. I only meant to point out one possible reason why the above site listed these countries.

by dragly 9y ago

masklinn 9y ago

So… that's a case of dishonestly conflating shutting down a locally illegal operations and speech/political censorship. Hardly helping the case.

briandear 9y ago
The French definitely censor more than just pirate sites.
C4K3 9y ago
Denmark censors a lot more than just TPB, though it is probably the one website that causes most people to circumvent the censorship. In Denmark it all started out with blocking child porn sites, then it was expanded to copyright infringement, then it was expanded to companies operating illegally (counterfeit goods stores, illegal gambling, alternative medicine stores) and most recently the government started blocking "terror propaganda" [1] - which means they have begun censoring political speech. This is in spite of a constitution forbidding censorship, with the counterpoint being that since it's technically private companies doing the censorship, it doesn't violate the constitution. Even though ISPs will be taken to court if they don't censor sites [2] [1] https://www.information.dk/indland/2016/10/statsligt-debattoerkorps-forhindre-online-radikalisering https://www.information.dk/indland/2016/10/statsligt-debatto... [2] https://www.version2.dk/artikel/dansk-internetudbyder-traekkes-i-retten-manglende-dns-blokering-57006 https://www.version2.dk/artikel/dansk-internetudbyder-traekk...
dragly 9y ago
Sorry, but I did not intend to compare or conflate the two cases. I wanted to give an answer to the parent poster why those countries might be listed on the above site.

sverhagen 9y ago

That link says: blocking access due to copyright issues. Respectfully, I don't think you're doing justice to the Turkish freedom of speech issue of Wikipedia being blocked by bringing up The Pirate Bay.

jerheinze 9y ago
> That link says: blocking access due to copyright issues. Respectfully, I don't think you're doing justice to the Turkish freedom of speech issue of Wikipedia being blocked by bringing up The Pirate Bay. Can we both agree that both of these things shouldn't happen and ThePirateBay and Wikipedia shouldn't be censored by any country?
- epmaybe 9y ago
  Sure, but there's a time and a place, if you know what I mean. One directly undermines access to information, whereas another has to do with copyright law.
  - flyingfences 9y ago
    Torrents contain information. Blocking torrent aggregators directly undermines access to information.
dragly 9y ago
I did not mean to compare the two cases at all and am sorry if it came out that way. I just wanted to answer the parent post on 'what the "anomalies" this site detects in Denmark, Finland, and France represent' by pointing out that TPB is blocked/censored in these countries. I only meant to point out one possible reason why the above site listed these countries.