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The Chinese created famine in their country by eliminating sparrows as part of their so-called "Great Leap Forward". It turned out that the sparrows were eating

The Chinese created famine in their country by eliminating sparrows as part of their so-called "Great Leap Forward". It turned out that the sparrows were eating pest insects. Now the Chinese offer to gobble these oysters. Can they be trusted?

huac 9y ago
The same happened in the US west, when ranchers killed all the wolves. In particular, Teddy Roosevelt gave federal protection to the Roosevelt elk, and hunters shot literally all the wolves in their habitat. No wolves meant no check on moose/deer populations, which resulted in overgrazing of certain important flora. Everybody makes mistakes, and it's hard to tell when the lesser evil is the lesser evil.
- lucaspiller 9y ago
  The difference is that this problem was created by humans in the first place - the oysters supposidely escaped from farms.
  - thaumasiotes 9y ago
    Whether a problem is "created by humans" has no bearing on what would or wouldn't be a good solution. If the same problem arises without the intervention of humans, why would you treat it differently?
- hueving 9y ago
  People hunt moose/deer so their populations are easily controlled with more permits. When I was little and the wolves were still gone, I remember my uncle being limited to 1 or 2 a season in Wyoming. People don't say no to essentially free meat. IIRC wolves were only brought back because people weren't allowed to hunt in Yellowstone Park. Wolves spreading to the rest of Wyoming, Idaho, Utah and Montana is collateral damage.
- icantdrive55 9y ago
  1. It is estimated that nearly 10 million elk lived in North America prior to 1500 and were reduced to less than 100,000 by 1907. 2. Elk/deer eat underbrush. When an an animal tramps/eats most species of native plants, the hardier strains seem to evolve. Same vegation, but hardier. (Botany 101 from a angry older PhD from Sonoma State whos biggest gripes were ecologists who were too vigilant of people who claimed walking off trail, ruined native species of plants, hated Monsanto, and was concerned about Global warming. He was shocked our oceans were 1 degree warmer years ago. He said just wait people?). I can't find where they desimated a native plants, but I might be missing some species? The are an important part of the ecosystem. Where are they causing problems? 3. Hunters seem to have put a dent in any heard overpopulation? Especially, deer? The exception might be a few federal/state parks where hunting is completely illegial? 4. I'm glad Wolves are making a come back though. I think overdevelopment/pollution are where fingers should be pointed? http://www.oregonwild.org/wildlife/roosevelt-elk http://www.oregonwild.org/wildlife/roosevelt-elk

huac 9y ago

The same happened in the US west, when ranchers killed all the wolves. In particular, Teddy Roosevelt gave federal protection to the Roosevelt elk, and hunters shot literally all the wolves in their habitat. No wolves meant no check on moose/deer populations, which resulted in overgrazing of certain important flora. Everybody makes mistakes, and it's hard to tell when the lesser evil is the lesser evil.

lucaspiller 9y ago
The difference is that this problem was created by humans in the first place - the oysters supposidely escaped from farms.
- thaumasiotes 9y ago
  Whether a problem is "created by humans" has no bearing on what would or wouldn't be a good solution. If the same problem arises without the intervention of humans, why would you treat it differently?
hueving 9y ago
People hunt moose/deer so their populations are easily controlled with more permits. When I was little and the wolves were still gone, I remember my uncle being limited to 1 or 2 a season in Wyoming. People don't say no to essentially free meat. IIRC wolves were only brought back because people weren't allowed to hunt in Yellowstone Park. Wolves spreading to the rest of Wyoming, Idaho, Utah and Montana is collateral damage.
icantdrive55 9y ago
1. It is estimated that nearly 10 million elk lived in North America prior to 1500 and were reduced to less than 100,000 by 1907. 2. Elk/deer eat underbrush. When an an animal tramps/eats most species of native plants, the hardier strains seem to evolve. Same vegation, but hardier. (Botany 101 from a angry older PhD from Sonoma State whos biggest gripes were ecologists who were too vigilant of people who claimed walking off trail, ruined native species of plants, hated Monsanto, and was concerned about Global warming. He was shocked our oceans were 1 degree warmer years ago. He said just wait people?). I can't find where they desimated a native plants, but I might be missing some species? The are an important part of the ecosystem. Where are they causing problems? 3. Hunters seem to have put a dent in any heard overpopulation? Especially, deer? The exception might be a few federal/state parks where hunting is completely illegial? 4. I'm glad Wolves are making a come back though. I think overdevelopment/pollution are where fingers should be pointed? http://www.oregonwild.org/wildlife/roosevelt-elk http://www.oregonwild.org/wildlife/roosevelt-elk