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edit: don't feel like arguing. Best of luck to Musk.

darawk 10y ago
> The Hyperloop was supposed to be a revolutionary form of transport, turns out it was overblown. He didn't launch the Hyperloop, though. He explicitly said he wasn't personally going to pursue it, he was just putting the idea out there. You can't put the fact that it hasn't yet been implemented (even though there are people working on it) on him. I've seen no evidence that the concept is infeasible, or poorly thought out.
- jodrellblank 10y ago
  It is infeasible, if it's going to be vacuum, for a pile of practical and safety reasons: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNFesa01llk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNFesa01llk Maybe it will pivot into something not-as-originally-hyped by the same name.
  - mdekkers 10y ago
    What a terrible video. "I can't imagine anybody can make this work, so it is absolutely impossible"
    - jodrellblank 10y ago
      Did you miss the bit where he says the idea of travelling fast in a vacuum is fundamentally sound and workable? Did you miss the bit where he never at all claimed it was 'impossible', only that it was bullshit that it would be doable within two orders of magnitude of the claimed price, with the claimed speed advantages, or with any acceptable amount of safety? What a terrible misrepresentation of the video.
      - darawk 10y ago
        Ya, but he doesn't actually justify his position. And to the extent that he does, his calculations are inaccurate. The only legitimate criticism he makes is the one about depressurization (all the others are trivial and can be solved trivially in ways that have already been addressed in the whitepaper). And fotunately for the hyperloop, his calculations on that one issue are off by six orders of magnitude, per the videos that respond to his video.
  - anko 10y ago
    Thunderf00t always comes up in these discussions - here's a counter video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kx52A-v65Q8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kx52A-v65Q8
Inconel 10y ago
>The fact that people feel the need to defend unfinished projects of a billionaire says a lot. I'm confused as to who exactly you're referencing here seeing as Musk has no stake in any of the hyperloop companies currently operating.
alain94040 10y ago
> Musk is a master of hype. > If you live by hype at some point you gotta start delivering In your book, Musk hasn't delivered enough yet? But why am I arguing with a Ph.D student. I wish you that your life is as fullfilled as Musk's.
haberman 10y ago
> The fact that people feel the need to defend unfinished (and very unproven) projects of a billionaire says a lot. The fact that people think they can spend two seconds evaluating and dismissing an engineering idea from someone who literally sends things into space is hilarious. > If you live by hype at some point you gotta start delivering. If putting cars on the road and rockets on the launchpad doesn't count as "delivering", I don't know what does.
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Denzel 10y ago
Where have you been exactly? He receives the hype precisely because he has delivered after people insisted he couldn't. He and his companies have delivered the Falcon, Model S, Modex X, and a concept Model 3 set to be delivered soon, along with a Falcon Heavy. If any person were able to deliver even one of those products, they'd be deserving of attention. And that's not even everything he's delivered. If delivering three groundbreaking products (as in you can go out and use them right now) is hype, then I think maybe you need to revise your definition of "hype".
- stupidhn 10y ago
  The SpaceX stuff is actually amazing. The Tesla stuff is over-hyped by people who think that it's currently the global leader in everything they do, be it manufacturing or self-driving tech. In reality, the EV space is competitive as all get out and Tesla is a pretty small player. The boring stuff? I have no idea.
CamperBob2 10y ago
If you live by hype at some point you gotta start delivering (edit: this is overstated, but whatever). He's delivering to the freakin' International Space Station. What have you delivered lately?
psyc 10y ago
You don't have an argument.

> The Hyperloop was supposed to be a revolutionary form of transport, turns out it was overblown. He didn't launch the Hyperloop, though. He explicitly said he wasn't personally going to pursue it, he was just putting the idea out there. You can't put the fact that it hasn't yet been implemented (even though there are people working on it) on him. I've seen no evidence that the concept is infeasible, or poorly thought out.

jodrellblank 10y ago
It is infeasible, if it's going to be vacuum, for a pile of practical and safety reasons: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNFesa01llk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNFesa01llk Maybe it will pivot into something not-as-originally-hyped by the same name.
- mdekkers 10y ago
  What a terrible video. "I can't imagine anybody can make this work, so it is absolutely impossible"
  - jodrellblank 10y ago
    Did you miss the bit where he says the idea of travelling fast in a vacuum is fundamentally sound and workable? Did you miss the bit where he never at all claimed it was 'impossible', only that it was bullshit that it would be doable within two orders of magnitude of the claimed price, with the claimed speed advantages, or with any acceptable amount of safety? What a terrible misrepresentation of the video.
    - darawk 10y ago
      Ya, but he doesn't actually justify his position. And to the extent that he does, his calculations are inaccurate. The only legitimate criticism he makes is the one about depressurization (all the others are trivial and can be solved trivially in ways that have already been addressed in the whitepaper). And fotunately for the hyperloop, his calculations on that one issue are off by six orders of magnitude, per the videos that respond to his video.
- anko 10y ago
  Thunderf00t always comes up in these discussions - here's a counter video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kx52A-v65Q8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kx52A-v65Q8

Inconel 10y ago

>The fact that people feel the need to defend unfinished projects of a billionaire says a lot. I'm confused as to who exactly you're referencing here seeing as Musk has no stake in any of the hyperloop companies currently operating.

alain94040 10y ago

> Musk is a master of hype. > If you live by hype at some point you gotta start delivering In your book, Musk hasn't delivered enough yet? But why am I arguing with a Ph.D student. I wish you that your life is as fullfilled as Musk's.

haberman 10y ago

> The fact that people feel the need to defend unfinished (and very unproven) projects of a billionaire says a lot. The fact that people think they can spend two seconds evaluating and dismissing an engineering idea from someone who literally sends things into space is hilarious. > If you live by hype at some point you gotta start delivering. If putting cars on the road and rockets on the launchpad doesn't count as "delivering", I don't know what does.

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Denzel 10y ago

Where have you been exactly? He receives the hype precisely because he has delivered after people insisted he couldn't. He and his companies have delivered the Falcon, Model S, Modex X, and a concept Model 3 set to be delivered soon, along with a Falcon Heavy. If any person were able to deliver even one of those products, they'd be deserving of attention. And that's not even everything he's delivered. If delivering three groundbreaking products (as in you can go out and use them right now) is hype, then I think maybe you need to revise your definition of "hype".

stupidhn 10y ago
The SpaceX stuff is actually amazing. The Tesla stuff is over-hyped by people who think that it's currently the global leader in everything they do, be it manufacturing or self-driving tech. In reality, the EV space is competitive as all get out and Tesla is a pretty small player. The boring stuff? I have no idea.

CamperBob2 10y ago

If you live by hype at some point you gotta start delivering (edit: this is overstated, but whatever). He's delivering to the freakin' International Space Station. What have you delivered lately?

psyc 10y ago

You don't have an argument.