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"voting for trump" != voting for ISP monopolies and anti-net neutrality. Don't blame everything in the world on people who voted for Trump. Look at how difficul

"voting for trump" != voting for ISP monopolies and anti-net neutrality. Don't blame everything in the world on people who voted for Trump. Look at how difficult it was to get any sort of good regulation for net neutrality under Obama. You need to go after ISPs, Comcast, etc... and the people both R and D who get money from them.

coldpie 9y ago
Don't try to "both sides are the same" this. Look at the accomplishments of the previous administration's FCC and the current one. There is a stark difference.
- muninn_ 9y ago
  I didn't say "both sides are the same" even though they largely are. But you're naive if you think that Comcast isn't lobbying their democratize representatives in Philly to vote against net neutrality regulations. Furthermore, look at how much work it took to get net neutrality passed even under Obama. If the democrats are so much on our side, why was it so difficult?
  - coldpie 9y ago
    Under the Democrats, the FCC passed net neutrality, twice, after a court order struck down the first attempt. Under the Republicans, the FCC isn't just doing nothing, it's actively going out of its way to repeal it. The difference could not be more stark. If a neutral Internet is important to you, the sides are not even remotely the same.
    - muninn_ 9y ago
      Right. My point is look how difficult it was. We (dems) dragged our feet doing it. Why? I'm not defending the republican's choices here, I don't agree with what they're doing.
belltaco 9y ago
Many of those people have actually been led believe it has something to do with quashing conservative media. From the man himself: Donald J. Trump‏ Verified account @realDonaldTrump Obama’s attack on the internet is another top down power grab. Net neutrality is the Fairness Doctrine. Will target conservative media. https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/532608358508167168?lang=en https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/53260835850816716... Like those millions of people who believed the fake news fed to them, these people don't even know what it means, much less make an informed decision, so the Republicans aren't going to lose many votes over this compared to informed voters who are typically in the cities and vote D anyway.
- muninn_ 9y ago
  Politicians will be politicians. "Like those millions of people who believed the fake news fed to them," So people using Facebook which includes both Democrats and Republicans? You do realize a lot of Democrats are not technologists right? And that they won't have a better understanding of technology than their conservative brethren? I know it's popular among my circle to just outright shit on all Republicans no matter what, but it's really not helping our cause.
  - dragonwriter 9y ago
    > You do realize a lot of Democrats are not technologists right? Technologists believe fake news, too.
- cat199 9y ago
  > Like those millions of people who believed the fake news fed to them, these people don't even know what it means, much less make an informed decision, so the Republicans aren't going to lose many votes over this compared to informed voters who are typically in the cities and vote D anyway. Totally, I mean, Obama's FCC and internet policy was completely on point, the unceasing vigilance to protect encryption and the snowden and wikileaks affairs really showed us that under his administration internet freedom and protection from dragnet surveillance was absolutely a top priority. The massive focus on these issues both in his campaign after bush as well as the continuation of making these issues a top priority in the Sanders and Hillary camps during the last cycle only proves this point even more, and I can only credit the well informed and highly vocal supporters of each candidate for making this the case. Glad you made this point, I was thinking the same thing but too intimidated by the sheer number of the overwhelming majority of pro-trump neo-facists on this site!

coldpie 9y ago

Don't try to "both sides are the same" this. Look at the accomplishments of the previous administration's FCC and the current one. There is a stark difference.

muninn_ 9y ago
I didn't say "both sides are the same" even though they largely are. But you're naive if you think that Comcast isn't lobbying their democratize representatives in Philly to vote against net neutrality regulations. Furthermore, look at how much work it took to get net neutrality passed even under Obama. If the democrats are so much on our side, why was it so difficult?
- coldpie 9y ago
  Under the Democrats, the FCC passed net neutrality, twice, after a court order struck down the first attempt. Under the Republicans, the FCC isn't just doing nothing, it's actively going out of its way to repeal it. The difference could not be more stark. If a neutral Internet is important to you, the sides are not even remotely the same.
  - muninn_ 9y ago
    Right. My point is look how difficult it was. We (dems) dragged our feet doing it. Why? I'm not defending the republican's choices here, I don't agree with what they're doing.

belltaco 9y ago

Many of those people have actually been led believe it has something to do with quashing conservative media. From the man himself: Donald J. Trump‏ Verified account @realDonaldTrump Obama’s attack on the internet is another top down power grab. Net neutrality is the Fairness Doctrine. Will target conservative media. https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/532608358508167168?lang=en https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/53260835850816716... Like those millions of people who believed the fake news fed to them, these people don't even know what it means, much less make an informed decision, so the Republicans aren't going to lose many votes over this compared to informed voters who are typically in the cities and vote D anyway.

muninn_ 9y ago
Politicians will be politicians. "Like those millions of people who believed the fake news fed to them," So people using Facebook which includes both Democrats and Republicans? You do realize a lot of Democrats are not technologists right? And that they won't have a better understanding of technology than their conservative brethren? I know it's popular among my circle to just outright shit on all Republicans no matter what, but it's really not helping our cause.
- dragonwriter 9y ago
  > You do realize a lot of Democrats are not technologists right? Technologists believe fake news, too.
cat199 9y ago
> Like those millions of people who believed the fake news fed to them, these people don't even know what it means, much less make an informed decision, so the Republicans aren't going to lose many votes over this compared to informed voters who are typically in the cities and vote D anyway. Totally, I mean, Obama's FCC and internet policy was completely on point, the unceasing vigilance to protect encryption and the snowden and wikileaks affairs really showed us that under his administration internet freedom and protection from dragnet surveillance was absolutely a top priority. The massive focus on these issues both in his campaign after bush as well as the continuation of making these issues a top priority in the Sanders and Hillary camps during the last cycle only proves this point even more, and I can only credit the well informed and highly vocal supporters of each candidate for making this the case. Glad you made this point, I was thinking the same thing but too intimidated by the sheer number of the overwhelming majority of pro-trump neo-facists on this site!