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I;m pro choice and think this tech is great. All the pro-life people i know that have seen it though think it's a disturbing, godless or unnatural...

LordKano 9y ago
I would suspect that's an anomaly with the sample of pro-life people that you know. I'm pro-life and in the circles where I travel, this is being hailed.
xienze 9y ago
Yeah, take a fetus out of a living being and stick it in a plastic bag to incubate. How could anyone possibly think that's weird or unnatural?
- JoeAltmaier 9y ago
  And? "Unnatural" describes our entire existence - living in houses, eating food we raised, wearing clothes, taking medicines. To be honest, 'nature' is that thing that constantly tries to kill us. I think its hilarious that folks pursue 'natural' foods and lifestyles, thinking its somehow better.
  - xienze 9y ago
    Those are all habits that developed organically over centuries based on our desire to live and lead happy, fulfilling lifestyles. This is a brand-new procedure that just a couple years ago would be written about in a sci-fi novel. Perhaps you can understand how someone might think it's a little strange.
    - stanfordkid 9y ago
      We have no clue as to how various chemicals released by the mother affect the newborn psychologically. Would probably not be able to predict the effects for over 10-20 years. I'm worried we might end up with sociopathic kids. It's been shown in many animals that the mother does not bond with the newborn without oxytocin release from childbirth.
      - dpark 9y ago
        > It's been shown in many animals that the mother does not bond with the newborn without oxytocin release from childbirth. 1. Citation needed. 2. Not relevant to humans unless you are also going to assert that fathers and adopted mothers fail to bond.
  - apocalypstyx 9y ago
    Birds nests and termite mounds. Ants invented farming and animal domestication (and slavery) before humans evolved as a species (certain strains of fungus have gone extinct in nature and only still remain because of their cultivation. Hermit crabs. And a few years ago (can't remember where at the moment) it was shown animals self-medicate when sick by instinctually eating certain plants they would otherwise not consume. You're not in traffic. You are traffic.
    - lawless123 9y ago
      Either nothing is Natural or everything is.
ythn 9y ago
Although if confronted with the two options (abortion, bag fetus), I'm sure pro-lifers would always choose the latter.
- gadders 9y ago
  You would hope pro-choice people would as well.
  - lawless123 9y ago
    How far do we take it though. If they manage to move the tech back to close to conception Is there an obligation to bag and try to save every single fertilized egg?
    - gadders 9y ago
      That is true. I guess one constraint would be the effectiveness of pregnancy testing i.e. how early can it detect conception?
gadders 9y ago
I would describe my stance as reluctantly pro-choice. I think anything that reduces the number of abortions is a good thing.
TheGirondin 9y ago
I'm pro-life, hail this as well.

LordKano 9y ago

I would suspect that's an anomaly with the sample of pro-life people that you know. I'm pro-life and in the circles where I travel, this is being hailed.

xienze 9y ago

Yeah, take a fetus out of a living being and stick it in a plastic bag to incubate. How could anyone possibly think that's weird or unnatural?

JoeAltmaier 9y ago
And? "Unnatural" describes our entire existence - living in houses, eating food we raised, wearing clothes, taking medicines. To be honest, 'nature' is that thing that constantly tries to kill us. I think its hilarious that folks pursue 'natural' foods and lifestyles, thinking its somehow better.
- xienze 9y ago
  Those are all habits that developed organically over centuries based on our desire to live and lead happy, fulfilling lifestyles. This is a brand-new procedure that just a couple years ago would be written about in a sci-fi novel. Perhaps you can understand how someone might think it's a little strange.
  - stanfordkid 9y ago
    We have no clue as to how various chemicals released by the mother affect the newborn psychologically. Would probably not be able to predict the effects for over 10-20 years. I'm worried we might end up with sociopathic kids. It's been shown in many animals that the mother does not bond with the newborn without oxytocin release from childbirth.
    - dpark 9y ago
      > It's been shown in many animals that the mother does not bond with the newborn without oxytocin release from childbirth. 1. Citation needed. 2. Not relevant to humans unless you are also going to assert that fathers and adopted mothers fail to bond.
- apocalypstyx 9y ago
  Birds nests and termite mounds. Ants invented farming and animal domestication (and slavery) before humans evolved as a species (certain strains of fungus have gone extinct in nature and only still remain because of their cultivation. Hermit crabs. And a few years ago (can't remember where at the moment) it was shown animals self-medicate when sick by instinctually eating certain plants they would otherwise not consume. You're not in traffic. You are traffic.
  - lawless123 9y ago
    Either nothing is Natural or everything is.

ythn 9y ago

Although if confronted with the two options (abortion, bag fetus), I'm sure pro-lifers would always choose the latter.

gadders 9y ago
You would hope pro-choice people would as well.
- lawless123 9y ago
  How far do we take it though. If they manage to move the tech back to close to conception Is there an obligation to bag and try to save every single fertilized egg?
  - gadders 9y ago
    That is true. I guess one constraint would be the effectiveness of pregnancy testing i.e. how early can it detect conception?

gadders 9y ago

I would describe my stance as reluctantly pro-choice. I think anything that reduces the number of abortions is a good thing.

TheGirondin 9y ago

I'm pro-life, hail this as well.