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Check out how we, the 'wise modern civilization' splash all our chemicals and shit into the rivers and oceans, and then eat fish from there. I bet we will be l

Check out how we, the 'wise modern civilization' splash all our chemicals and shit into the rivers and oceans, and then eat fish from there. I bet we will be looked at as 'these savage guys were totally dumb, look at them, it's unbelievable' about 50 - 150 years later. Also, you americans take away your babies from your mothers after few weeks, putting them to a cold hearted institutions, making them frustrated for life? In exchange for what, extra 1 % of GDP from working mothers? That's a pretty bad deal I must say. Most people in Europe would see this as a barbaric practice, as we know children need a close contact with parents till at least 2.5 years (don't you study developmental psychology there?), and our social systems support that. (wanted to show that we both are 'those dumb indians' from some more civilized point of view)

shard972 10y ago
I get your point but at least you get the 1% GDP gain, what upside is there to shitting in your drinking water? It's few steps closer?
- keypress 10y ago
  A little bit of vitamin B12.
- AnthonBerg 10y ago
  It's close, and the river washes everything away. You don't know about or understand the rest. How would you?, nobody thought to tell you. Life is difficult.
vivekd 10y ago
I don't think that really answers the parent's point. The connection between cholera and shitting where you drink is an obvious one. The connection between putting kids in daycare and polluting the ocean and whatever bad things come out of that are a few times removed and remote. It's a lot easier to see that drinking poo water will make you sick than it is to see that putting kids into daycare will "frustrate them for life."
- ace_of_spades 10y ago
  But what is interesting about this case and the comparison is that knowledge about something does not necessarily lead to change in behavior. So you should probably argue that it is a lot easier to change the place a village shits than to change the structure and incentives of our globalized economy.
bildung 10y ago
> Also, you americans take away your babies from your mothers after few weeks, putting them to a cold hearted institutions, making them frustrated for life? In exchange for what, extra 1 % of GDP from working mothers? That's a pretty bad deal I must say. > Most people in Europe would see this as a barbaric practice, as we know children need a close contact with parents till at least 2.5 years (don't you study developmental psychology there?), and our social systems support that. I am from Europe, and have studied developmental psychology, and I can assure you that there is no empirical evidence for your claims of daycare hurting development of children. Quality of parent<>child bonding does not correlate with children's age when entering daycare.
- ryanar 10y ago
  The attachment relationship cam be affected by daycare if the promary caregiver becomes the people in daycare. A childs temperament settles after 3 and imo 0-3 is a critical period for bonding with the parent. I would suggest a healthy mix of some daycare and some stay at home parenting, so the child can better socialize with other children and learn from them, but also grow a secure attachment to their parent and observe the adult world, not just what other children do. Bowlby's attachment theory ref https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.psychologistworld.com/developmental/attachment-theory&sa=U&ved=0ahUKEwiixa6g18TTAhWlzIMKHf3eC7UQFggUMAE&sig2=y3XvUdFXy43yV3E4iyfq5w&usg=AFQjCNHbMr4P4nI9FApiiBA-BUPRO986Rg https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.psychologistworld.c...
joyofdata 10y ago
Very good analogy!

shard972 10y ago

I get your point but at least you get the 1% GDP gain, what upside is there to shitting in your drinking water? It's few steps closer?

keypress 10y ago
A little bit of vitamin B12.
AnthonBerg 10y ago
It's close, and the river washes everything away. You don't know about or understand the rest. How would you?, nobody thought to tell you. Life is difficult.

vivekd 10y ago

I don't think that really answers the parent's point. The connection between cholera and shitting where you drink is an obvious one. The connection between putting kids in daycare and polluting the ocean and whatever bad things come out of that are a few times removed and remote. It's a lot easier to see that drinking poo water will make you sick than it is to see that putting kids into daycare will "frustrate them for life."

ace_of_spades 10y ago
But what is interesting about this case and the comparison is that knowledge about something does not necessarily lead to change in behavior. So you should probably argue that it is a lot easier to change the place a village shits than to change the structure and incentives of our globalized economy.

bildung 10y ago

> Also, you americans take away your babies from your mothers after few weeks, putting them to a cold hearted institutions, making them frustrated for life? In exchange for what, extra 1 % of GDP from working mothers? That's a pretty bad deal I must say. > Most people in Europe would see this as a barbaric practice, as we know children need a close contact with parents till at least 2.5 years (don't you study developmental psychology there?), and our social systems support that. I am from Europe, and have studied developmental psychology, and I can assure you that there is no empirical evidence for your claims of daycare hurting development of children. Quality of parent<>child bonding does not correlate with children's age when entering daycare.

ryanar 10y ago
The attachment relationship cam be affected by daycare if the promary caregiver becomes the people in daycare. A childs temperament settles after 3 and imo 0-3 is a critical period for bonding with the parent. I would suggest a healthy mix of some daycare and some stay at home parenting, so the child can better socialize with other children and learn from them, but also grow a secure attachment to their parent and observe the adult world, not just what other children do. Bowlby's attachment theory ref https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.psychologistworld.com/developmental/attachment-theory&sa=U&ved=0ahUKEwiixa6g18TTAhWlzIMKHf3eC7UQFggUMAE&sig2=y3XvUdFXy43yV3E4iyfq5w&usg=AFQjCNHbMr4P4nI9FApiiBA-BUPRO986Rg https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.psychologistworld.c...

joyofdata 10y ago

Very good analogy!