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But how does the employer even find about this? How does the employer determine cooperation? Surely LEO can't blackmail you into cooperation by going to your em

But how does the employer even find about this? How does the employer determine cooperation? Surely LEO can't blackmail you into cooperation by going to your employer first?

omginternets 9y ago
>But how does the employer even find about this? If he doesn't find out, I guess he can't fire you for it. I'm not sure I understand what the underlying question is... >How does the employer determine cooperation? Completely arbitrarily. You can be fired for just about anything that isn't explicitly prohibited (e.g. being Black). In the case of "at-will" employment, I can fire someone for literally no reason at all. I can wake up on the wrong side of the bed at 7:00 AM, decide Joe Schmoe is responsible (or not... that guy just gets under my skin), shit shave and shower, then roll into the office at 9:00 and give him the ax. So, to answer your question, if the I overhear my neighbors gossiping about how you didn't cooperate with police, that's as good a criterion as any for firing you. >Surely LEO can't blackmail you into cooperation by going to your employer first? Think again. In principle, police can threaten to tell people you didn't cooperate. I don't know how often this happens but it's perfectly legal to do so.
gbacon 9y ago
The events aren’t independent: in the scenario, the fuzz started with the employer who directly or indirectly suggested talking to the employee.
Spooky23 9y ago
Example: You're an IT guy who manages your company's MacBooks, including the FileVault institutional decryption key. A fellow employee is being investigated for a crime, say possession of child pornography. You have no knowledge of what is or isn't happening on the computer. Your management directs you to cooperate with the Federal Agent, answer questions, and provide technical assistance as required. You refuse without advice of your personal counsel. End result: You are terminated for insubordination.

But how does the employer even find about this? How does the employer determine cooperation? Surely LEO can't blackmail you into cooperation by going to your employer first?

omginternets 9y ago

>But how does the employer even find about this? If he doesn't find out, I guess he can't fire you for it. I'm not sure I understand what the underlying question is... >How does the employer determine cooperation? Completely arbitrarily. You can be fired for just about anything that isn't explicitly prohibited (e.g. being Black). In the case of "at-will" employment, I can fire someone for literally no reason at all. I can wake up on the wrong side of the bed at 7:00 AM, decide Joe Schmoe is responsible (or not... that guy just gets under my skin), shit shave and shower, then roll into the office at 9:00 and give him the ax. So, to answer your question, if the I overhear my neighbors gossiping about how you didn't cooperate with police, that's as good a criterion as any for firing you. >Surely LEO can't blackmail you into cooperation by going to your employer first? Think again. In principle, police can threaten to tell people you didn't cooperate. I don't know how often this happens but it's perfectly legal to do so.

gbacon 9y ago

The events aren’t independent: in the scenario, the fuzz started with the employer who directly or indirectly suggested talking to the employee.

Spooky23 9y ago

Example: You're an IT guy who manages your company's MacBooks, including the FileVault institutional decryption key. A fellow employee is being investigated for a crime, say possession of child pornography. You have no knowledge of what is or isn't happening on the computer. Your management directs you to cooperate with the Federal Agent, answer questions, and provide technical assistance as required. You refuse without advice of your personal counsel. End result: You are terminated for insubordination.