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Wait, you're saying these things are true but it's poisonous to say so? Or, more charitatively, that reality is composed of a large spectrum of true things and
by thanatropism 10y ago
Wait, you're saying these things are true but it's poisonous to say so?
Or, more charitatively, that reality is composed of a large spectrum of true things and it's poisonous to emphasize the kind of true things they're saying?
(Or, to comic effect, that a three-valued logic of true/false/cringe is needed to evaluate social theories like that?)
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Here's how I feel about those "hatefacts". First, I don't know that they're true - ages 18-27, really? I know to some extent that Bono from U2 might be able to just waltz in and steal or have sex with my girlfriend. But here's the thing: I don't need to care. I firmly believe in the stoic distinction between stuff that's "up to me" (and I can fight for) and stuff that's not. I know I'm not about to become the protagonist of "Magic Mike 3" or some such optimally attractive man. I also know I have my own kind of charm which I can develop and let the dice roll.
It seems to me that the Red Pill stuff is structured exactly like class (and generalized "oppression") resentment. There are extraordinarily fine things and experiences I cannot afford in my current station in life and there are extraordinarily attractive women in the world (I saw a bunch today) that I will probably never enjoy as a mate. (Red Pill would likely say that if I became wealthy I'd get the girls, but doesn't that defeat the point?) But if you're going to be happy at all in life you need to do what you can do.
So Red Pill literature reads to me a lot like gender wage gap or black-lives-matter literature. It comes out of a place of disconnect between actions (what I can do) and consequences (what the world gives me) that's actually real. Of course the world's not fair. But it's sometimes painful, isn't it?
- tptacek 10y agoNo, neither of those were what they were saying.
- thanatropism 10y agogdulli (the grandparent) did say > It's not that there isn't any reality to any of these concepts. So he's not saying they're false. I think I'd be more comfortable with the assertion (on vague authority I'd be willing to believe) that Red Pill ideology is false and that's why we're supposed to oppose it.
- gdulli 10y agoSure, there are women who'd leave their partner for a rock star because of their status, and men who'd leave their partner because someone with better looks came along. It's true there are a lot of shitty people, but there are also a lot of good people. Extrapolating the behavior of the shitty people to the whole gender and forming a worldview around shallowness as a primary motivation of people in general is self-defeating. You're just embracing and becoming the shittiness you see in the world. A shitty game only has the power we choose to give it. It's like how you can't point to a Trump voter and assume they're a terrible person just because Trump is a terrible person. Their motivations for voting for him could be complex and conflicted. If I was to treat all Trump voters according to the behavior of the worst of them, I'd never be able to have respect for any of them. That's not a sustainable way to view a large segment of people.