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A very nice write up ruined by very partisan ramblings in the end. There is nothing wrong in believing in liberal cause, but to consider the other side as devil

by sremani 10y ago

A very nice write up ruined by very partisan ramblings in the end. There is nothing wrong in believing in liberal cause, but to consider the other side as devil incarnate is a bit disturbing.

sandieman 10y ago
I don't understand the logic that just cause someone is in a political party doesn't mean they can be evil and subsequently vilified.
- sremani 10y ago
  Before answering the question, I would love to know what is evil in your words.
JabavuAdams 10y ago
It's a personal post, why shouldn't he have an opinion? Also, how do you get to "devil incarnate"? The most negative thing he said was that the current administration are oppressive zealots. Note that he didn't specifically call out Republicans. The current administration has flouted norms, both Democratic and Republican.
- Domenic_S 10y ago
  "I think the institutions, principles, norms, and traditions that make the United States of America genuinely exceptional are at serious risk. It has been hard to think about anything else." "These oppressive zealots in the White House" "fighting a despotic regime" Of course he can have an opinion, and it seems like everyone's got one. It's less clear why the reader should care. And statements like this: "My career would not have progressed without the leadership and contributions of immigrants of virtually every race, ethnicity, and faith. Period." I mean, there are a lot of races, ethnicities, and faiths in the world, and not all of them care to immigrate. The hyperbole just smacks of virtue signaling, which some people enjoy and others don't. Depends on how you react to the signal, I suppose.
  - nandemo 10y ago
    > The hyperbole just smacks of virtue signaling, which some people enjoy and others don't. Why is everything that democrats/liberal say deemed "virtue signaling" now? Do liberals have any genuine principles at all? Are some liberals signaling these virtues to other liberals who genuinely have principles, or is "virtue signaling all the way down"? (BTW, I'm not American and don't identify neither as liberal or conservative)
    - alphapapa 10y ago
      > Do liberals have any genuine principles at all? The principle they adhere to most strongly is that the ends justify the means. Virtually everything they do flows from that. Of course, that leaves the questions of what the ends are, and whether their means will effect them. From recent history, it would seem that the answer to the latter is, to some degree, yes. However, there is now significant pushback, leading to further polarization on both sides. The two sides do not ultimately desire the same ends, although many politicians claim that they do in order to establish a "moderate" position and retain their seats. We may be in for some rough times ahead, politically. However, the Constitution has seen us through worse; as long as it is respected by those in office, we will ultimately come out intact. But I'm afraid that is not a given, since one side now sees the Constitution as "living" and evolving to meet the interpretations that will help effect their ends. If only they would pursue the amendment process instead of...creative interpretation.
    - Domenic_S 10y ago
      Liberals who genuinely have principles are doing productive things, not writing blog posts with all the hip liberal keywords shoehorned in. Zealots? A _despotic regime_? I'm no Trump defender but those descriptors are either intentional hyperbole (ie: virtue signaling), or the author truly has no idea what they mean in the context of world history (which I find impossible to believe).
  - NoGravitas 10y ago
    > virtue signaling You'd rather he signaled vice?
exclusiv 10y ago
It's very disturbing but it's a leftist thing, not a liberal thing. Based on what he writes, he's a leftist. How productive can any conversation be when you have such a backwards and unfair starting point that the other side is evil? Leftists also assume minorities can't do certain things and that only they can save them because they are the enlightened ones. Leftists are far removed from being progressive and tolerant. I've noticed that my liberal friends have even gravitated toward this leftist propaganda that the other side is made up of bad people. It's part of their core and part of their strategy to divide and conquer. If the other side is made of bad people - then your side will never leave you. In fact they won't even engage in discussion with opposing viewpoints.
- hsod 10y ago
  The problem with your worldview is it leaves you totally unprepared for the scenario when the other side genuinely elects an evil or destructive person. It presumes there's always a rough moral equality between the two sides. We have historical examples of evil and destructive regimes being legitimately elected. It's not impossible. Sacca claims we are observing another example, right now, in America.
  - anthuswilliams 10y ago
    I don't think it presumes there is moral equality at all. Rather, it's perfectly possible for an evil and destructive regime to be elected by misinformed or desperate people, and you might be wrong about voters' motives when you assume that they voted the way they did out of pure hatred and malice.
  - exclusiv 10y ago
    It absolutely doesn't. My view starts with assuming people with opposing viewpoints in the US aren't evil or bad people. AFTER you've engaged in discussion and their true intentions are known you can make more honest conclusions on that person or group of people. That's not what leftists do. Your comment says destructive and evil in the same sentence. Again - being destructive or making bad calls - doesn't make you a bad person or evil. Incompetent yes; evil probably not. Every politician does destructive things, especially when those things are often subjective based on your philosophy. The equivalent on the right is when they say that their opposition hates America because they have different perspectives and want to drastically change things. That's not cool either. What's interesting is that if you look at history, the leftists are by far the most evil (Mao, Stalin, etc) and it's not even close. Evil is not a word that should be thrown around loosely like the leftists do daily.

by sremani 10y ago

A very nice write up ruined by very partisan ramblings in the end. There is nothing wrong in believing in liberal cause, but to consider the other side as devil incarnate is a bit disturbing.

sandieman 10y ago

I don't understand the logic that just cause someone is in a political party doesn't mean they can be evil and subsequently vilified.

sremani 10y ago
Before answering the question, I would love to know what is evil in your words.

JabavuAdams 10y ago

It's a personal post, why shouldn't he have an opinion? Also, how do you get to "devil incarnate"? The most negative thing he said was that the current administration are oppressive zealots. Note that he didn't specifically call out Republicans. The current administration has flouted norms, both Democratic and Republican.

Domenic_S 10y ago
"I think the institutions, principles, norms, and traditions that make the United States of America genuinely exceptional are at serious risk. It has been hard to think about anything else." "These oppressive zealots in the White House" "fighting a despotic regime" Of course he can have an opinion, and it seems like everyone's got one. It's less clear why the reader should care. And statements like this: "My career would not have progressed without the leadership and contributions of immigrants of virtually every race, ethnicity, and faith. Period." I mean, there are a lot of races, ethnicities, and faiths in the world, and not all of them care to immigrate. The hyperbole just smacks of virtue signaling, which some people enjoy and others don't. Depends on how you react to the signal, I suppose.
- nandemo 10y ago
  > The hyperbole just smacks of virtue signaling, which some people enjoy and others don't. Why is everything that democrats/liberal say deemed "virtue signaling" now? Do liberals have any genuine principles at all? Are some liberals signaling these virtues to other liberals who genuinely have principles, or is "virtue signaling all the way down"? (BTW, I'm not American and don't identify neither as liberal or conservative)
  - alphapapa 10y ago
    > Do liberals have any genuine principles at all? The principle they adhere to most strongly is that the ends justify the means. Virtually everything they do flows from that. Of course, that leaves the questions of what the ends are, and whether their means will effect them. From recent history, it would seem that the answer to the latter is, to some degree, yes. However, there is now significant pushback, leading to further polarization on both sides. The two sides do not ultimately desire the same ends, although many politicians claim that they do in order to establish a "moderate" position and retain their seats. We may be in for some rough times ahead, politically. However, the Constitution has seen us through worse; as long as it is respected by those in office, we will ultimately come out intact. But I'm afraid that is not a given, since one side now sees the Constitution as "living" and evolving to meet the interpretations that will help effect their ends. If only they would pursue the amendment process instead of...creative interpretation.
  - Domenic_S 10y ago
    Liberals who genuinely have principles are doing productive things, not writing blog posts with all the hip liberal keywords shoehorned in. Zealots? A _despotic regime_? I'm no Trump defender but those descriptors are either intentional hyperbole (ie: virtue signaling), or the author truly has no idea what they mean in the context of world history (which I find impossible to believe).
- NoGravitas 10y ago
  > virtue signaling You'd rather he signaled vice?

exclusiv 10y ago

It's very disturbing but it's a leftist thing, not a liberal thing. Based on what he writes, he's a leftist. How productive can any conversation be when you have such a backwards and unfair starting point that the other side is evil? Leftists also assume minorities can't do certain things and that only they can save them because they are the enlightened ones. Leftists are far removed from being progressive and tolerant. I've noticed that my liberal friends have even gravitated toward this leftist propaganda that the other side is made up of bad people. It's part of their core and part of their strategy to divide and conquer. If the other side is made of bad people - then your side will never leave you. In fact they won't even engage in discussion with opposing viewpoints.

hsod 10y ago
The problem with your worldview is it leaves you totally unprepared for the scenario when the other side genuinely elects an evil or destructive person. It presumes there's always a rough moral equality between the two sides. We have historical examples of evil and destructive regimes being legitimately elected. It's not impossible. Sacca claims we are observing another example, right now, in America.
- anthuswilliams 10y ago
  I don't think it presumes there is moral equality at all. Rather, it's perfectly possible for an evil and destructive regime to be elected by misinformed or desperate people, and you might be wrong about voters' motives when you assume that they voted the way they did out of pure hatred and malice.
- exclusiv 10y ago
  It absolutely doesn't. My view starts with assuming people with opposing viewpoints in the US aren't evil or bad people. AFTER you've engaged in discussion and their true intentions are known you can make more honest conclusions on that person or group of people. That's not what leftists do. Your comment says destructive and evil in the same sentence. Again - being destructive or making bad calls - doesn't make you a bad person or evil. Incompetent yes; evil probably not. Every politician does destructive things, especially when those things are often subjective based on your philosophy. The equivalent on the right is when they say that their opposition hates America because they have different perspectives and want to drastically change things. That's not cool either. What's interesting is that if you look at history, the leftists are by far the most evil (Mao, Stalin, etc) and it's not even close. Evil is not a word that should be thrown around loosely like the leftists do daily.