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> But I think the lesson was pretty clear that people will trade privacy for convenience. (Likely an overabundance of trust or a lack of understanding of all th

by CPLX 10y ago

> But I think the lesson was pretty clear that people will trade privacy for convenience. (Likely an overabundance of trust or a lack of understanding of all the real implications and potential for exploit.) Or perhaps more accurately, most of the people in question are members of the mainstream dominant culture and don't really have much if anything in their life that they worry about someone else finding out about. Most people are average, by definition.

CaptSpify 10y ago
But we don't treat people by average very well. We treat them bad if they have any kind of psychological issues. We treat them bad if they have weird sexual fetishes. We treat them bad if they have the wrong kind of friends. Just because it's "average" doesn't mean it's safe to be public knowledge
coldsmoke 10y ago
They're not, actually. Almost no one is average if you look at multiple features at once. I would guess that most people have something they wouldn't be too happy with everyone knowing about. "In his research measuring thousands of airmen on a set of ten critical physical dimensions, Daniels realized that none of the pilots he measured was average on all ten dimensions. Not a single one. When he looked at just three dimensions, less than five percent were average. Daniels realized that by designing something for an average pilot, it was literally designed to fit nobody." [0] [0] http://99percentinvisible.org/episode/on-average/ http://99percentinvisible.org/episode/on-average/
- ppod 10y ago
  This is meaningless without considering the granularity of the unit of measure. Most people are of average height when measured to the nearest meter. The motivation behind the measurement determines the granularity -- for a cockpit, the seat and pedals and stick probably have to be within a couple of inches of tolerance. For a society, how racist or treacherous or murderous does a person have to be before we no longer accept them in society? I think there are simple guidelines: first, make clear the distinction between public and private spaces. No mandatory or secret surveillance in private places. Second, informed consent and transparency: Those willing to give up privacy for convenience within private spaces must have access to (but not be forced to read) clear, understandable, honest descriptions of what their information devices are doing.

by CPLX 10y ago

CaptSpify 10y ago

But we don't treat people by average very well. We treat them bad if they have any kind of psychological issues. We treat them bad if they have weird sexual fetishes. We treat them bad if they have the wrong kind of friends. Just because it's "average" doesn't mean it's safe to be public knowledge

coldsmoke 10y ago

They're not, actually. Almost no one is average if you look at multiple features at once. I would guess that most people have something they wouldn't be too happy with everyone knowing about. "In his research measuring thousands of airmen on a set of ten critical physical dimensions, Daniels realized that none of the pilots he measured was average on all ten dimensions. Not a single one. When he looked at just three dimensions, less than five percent were average. Daniels realized that by designing something for an average pilot, it was literally designed to fit nobody." [0] [0] http://99percentinvisible.org/episode/on-average/ http://99percentinvisible.org/episode/on-average/

ppod 10y ago
This is meaningless without considering the granularity of the unit of measure. Most people are of average height when measured to the nearest meter. The motivation behind the measurement determines the granularity -- for a cockpit, the seat and pedals and stick probably have to be within a couple of inches of tolerance. For a society, how racist or treacherous or murderous does a person have to be before we no longer accept them in society? I think there are simple guidelines: first, make clear the distinction between public and private spaces. No mandatory or secret surveillance in private places. Second, informed consent and transparency: Those willing to give up privacy for convenience within private spaces must have access to (but not be forced to read) clear, understandable, honest descriptions of what their information devices are doing.