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>Wouldn't want to enable people to make their own decisions with their money, would we? While we're on that subject, Pattern Day Trading restrictions[0] are a
by rl3 10y ago
>Wouldn't want to enable people to make their own decisions with their money, would we?
While we're on that subject, Pattern Day Trading restrictions[0] are a fine example of how arbitrary regulations created with good intentions can lead to negative outcomes.
How it works is that margin accounts must maintain an equity balance of at least $25,000 in order to day trade freely. Otherwise, you're allotted three round-trip day trades within a 5-day period before there's serious consequences. Cash accounts are subject to long settlement periods, so the restrictions are moot in that case.
What this means is that you can't trade equities with any sort of frequency on an account that has a cash balance below $25k—at least not if you want anywhere near full utilization of your capital. That also rules out algorithmic trading on anything but medium or long timescales.
The "protection" afforded to the uninformed retail customers it was designed to protect is questionable at best. For example: it would be perfectly acceptable to allocate 100% of your portfolio plus leverage to a single stock just before market close, become subject to after-hours and pre-market price movement, then sell the next morning. Repeat by buying a different stock that same day.
Yet, round-trip trades during market hours are heavily discouraged to the point of prohibition beyond any number that isn't trivial.
In fact, I would argue that PDT restrictions create a perverse incentive that holds people to bad trades which they would otherwise prefer to exit, subjecting them to dangerous after-hours price movement in the process.
It also creates incentive for novices to abandon equities entirely in favor of forex markets. Not exactly risk reduction.
[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pattern_day_trader https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pattern_day_trader
- JamesSwift 10y agoI recently got interested in the markets and the PDT rules are one thing that I feel I need to hear more informed opinions on before formulating my own. I'd love if more people chimed in here to put in their .02 cents on the benefits/drawbacks/intentions of the current rules.
- JakeAl 10y agoI think they are fine. The way I look at it one just needs to get educated before they become a pattern day trader. Ideally that means they grow their account to $25K and have experience before they are put into a position where they can screw up bad enough that it affects others. Of course people don't do that, but at least there's some incentive. In the end margin is irrelevant if you only trade with money that is actually available. Robinhood is for traders that know even less than the twits on StockTwits. I'm sure it's fine for investing but I'd bet that the vast majority of the people that use the app don't know what the difference is, just like StockTwits.
- quotha 10y agoAgreed! life was great before these restrictions.