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Yes, I believe in this whole technology "koolaid" thing. I'm sure you don't use anything created by startups in your daily life, like products from Google, Appl
by staunch 10y ago
Yes, I believe in this whole technology "koolaid" thing. I'm sure you don't use anything created by startups in your daily life, like products from Google, Apple, Microsoft, Facebook, Twitter, Reddit, YouTube, Tesla, Ford, Amazon, etc.
- ghaff 10y agoApple and Google are startups now? Only in the sense that pretty much every company in existence was a startup (in the broadest sense of the word) once.
- staunch 10y agoYes, exactly. You don't get the output of a big Apple or Google without them existing initially as startups. Mark Markkula funded Apple. Andy Bechtolsheim funded Google. These didn't happen by accident. They weren't inevitable.
- ghaff 10y agoYes. And pretty much every product and service I use on a day to day basis was created by a company that was once small and may have received outside investment even if only friends and family. And just about every product and service has some technology component or innovation that differentiates itself. But now you're just arguing that companies build the products we use and companies start small which, while overwhelmingly true, is hardly a statement about the output of technology startups specifically.
- sillysaurus3 10y agopg answered your questions conclusively in http://www.paulgraham.com/growth.html http://www.paulgraham.com/growth.html
- s73ver 10y agoThe vast majority of the products we'd associate with those companies were made long after they could be considered startups.
- ghaff 10y agoWhich was the main point I was trying to make. Furthermore, if you use the strict designed-for-rapid-growth definition for startups, a number of those companies were probably never startups. I don't think Apple, for example, fits today's classic startup mold. (I'm not saying I completely buy this definition but some people insist on using it.)
- Danihan 10y agoConsidering Ford is on the list is sounds like he's more of a corporatist.
- staunch 10y agoHow about technologist? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Model_T https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Model_T "It is generally regarded as the first affordable automobile, the car that opened travel to the common middle-class American; some of this was because of Ford's efficient fabrication, including assembly line production instead of individual hand crafting."
- Danihan 10y agoSure, same difference nowadays, really. If you don't think every major corporation doesn't have quite a few technological gems hidden up their sleeves you're fooling yourself.