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Please don't. With some funding from China, I'm currently running a massive worldwide operation, which allows me to spy on hundreds of millions of unsuspecting

Please don't. With some funding from China, I'm currently running a massive worldwide operation, which allows me to spy on hundreds of millions of unsuspecting Master Lock users; allowing me to track, among other things, where every bike user is at all time, as well as record what they are doing. If only it weren't for you meddling kid. Analogies, aren't they great? (Since it's apparent that sarcasm can't be read: "Stealing bikes" isn't the same bloody thing. Why even make that analogy?)

thomble 10y ago
If this danger is real, isn't it best to inform the consumer, or perhaps use a lawsuit to force a recall, rather than destroying other people's hardware? Does this concept apply to software? When the next large-scale RCE 0-day drops, does it make sense to use exploitation to destroy as much as possible in order to pressure the developers to ship a secure product? Since, the hacked machines certainly could allow an attacker lateral movement to sensitive data.
- gremlinsinc 10y ago
  a lawsuit requires people 'smart' enough to even know they were hacked, and for a recall they need to decide if the cost of a recall is cheaper than legal/settlement fees, ( i learned this from Fight club) lol -- however -- WARRANTY replacements of devices because a hacker breached security and bricked it--this could be a LOT faster way to force them to recall.
- pixl97 10y ago
  >isn't it best to inform the consumer, How, like 5% of people that buy electronics actually turn in the warranty cards. No, they will sit on the shelf for years polluting the internet with DDOS attacks and spam. >es it make sense to use exploitation to destroy as much as possible in order to pressure the developers to ship a secure product? Yes. That is also why I backup data using multiple methods including off line ones. Vigilante or blackhat doesn't matter. The next RCE will gladly spit copies of CryptoLocker everywhere if they could get ahold of it. The internet is a dangerous and well connected place. If lived China, I would think it's funny if I wiped a few large US corporations off the map because they used a DLINK webcam. And there is only a tiny chance in hell they would ever find me.

thomble 10y ago

If this danger is real, isn't it best to inform the consumer, or perhaps use a lawsuit to force a recall, rather than destroying other people's hardware? Does this concept apply to software? When the next large-scale RCE 0-day drops, does it make sense to use exploitation to destroy as much as possible in order to pressure the developers to ship a secure product? Since, the hacked machines certainly could allow an attacker lateral movement to sensitive data.

gremlinsinc 10y ago
a lawsuit requires people 'smart' enough to even know they were hacked, and for a recall they need to decide if the cost of a recall is cheaper than legal/settlement fees, ( i learned this from Fight club) lol -- however -- WARRANTY replacements of devices because a hacker breached security and bricked it--this could be a LOT faster way to force them to recall.
pixl97 10y ago
>isn't it best to inform the consumer, How, like 5% of people that buy electronics actually turn in the warranty cards. No, they will sit on the shelf for years polluting the internet with DDOS attacks and spam. >es it make sense to use exploitation to destroy as much as possible in order to pressure the developers to ship a secure product? Yes. That is also why I backup data using multiple methods including off line ones. Vigilante or blackhat doesn't matter. The next RCE will gladly spit copies of CryptoLocker everywhere if they could get ahold of it. The internet is a dangerous and well connected place. If lived China, I would think it's funny if I wiped a few large US corporations off the map because they used a DLINK webcam. And there is only a tiny chance in hell they would ever find me.