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What kind of stupid person would think that we could have a cooperative, functional society where I can just be careless with my bike, right? What's the proble

by badosu 10y ago

What kind of stupid person would think that we could have a cooperative, functional society where I can just be careless with my bike, right? What's the problem with these people? Sarcasm aside, I live in Brazil, ask any Brazilian who stayed on an European country what was the biggest difference: "I could feel safe anytime, without worrying about my stuff". That really shapes the mind and behaviour of people.

thomble 10y ago
You may get the exact same answer from a European who has lived in Japan.
umbrai_nation 10y ago
Which is great, in theory. But devices in Europe are just as accessible to Brazilians as they are to anyone else. Unless a device is locked down to local access, you can't have "safe neighborhoods".
Bartweiss 10y ago
> What kind of stupid person would think that we could have a cooperative, functional society where I can just be careless with my bike, right? Isn't this actually a really common sentiment, though? I've lived in several places where leaving a bike unlocked for 5 minutes, or sloppily locked for an hour, means you're going to lose it. That doesn't make the theft acceptable, but if a friend borrowed your bike and left it unlocked you'd still get mad at them. Reshaping society so this stuff doesn't happen is great, but on an inside-view level we treat crime as sort of an inevitable "someone will do it" force.
- badosu 10y ago
  > Reshaping society so this stuff doesn't happen is great, but on an inside-view level we treat crime as sort of an inevitable "someone will do it" force. I don't disagree with you, however I think there are some levels to this concept, e.g. how two different locations would differ if it was: a lost wallet, a somewhat clear opportunity for embezzlement, a bike stopped in front of a coffee shop?
pixl97 10y ago
>What kind of stupid person would think that we could have a cooperative, functional society where I can just be careless with my bike, right? The same kind of stupid person that doesn't realize they live in a ghetto called "The Internet".

by badosu 10y ago

thomble 10y ago

You may get the exact same answer from a European who has lived in Japan.

umbrai_nation 10y ago

Which is great, in theory. But devices in Europe are just as accessible to Brazilians as they are to anyone else. Unless a device is locked down to local access, you can't have "safe neighborhoods".

Bartweiss 10y ago

> What kind of stupid person would think that we could have a cooperative, functional society where I can just be careless with my bike, right? Isn't this actually a really common sentiment, though? I've lived in several places where leaving a bike unlocked for 5 minutes, or sloppily locked for an hour, means you're going to lose it. That doesn't make the theft acceptable, but if a friend borrowed your bike and left it unlocked you'd still get mad at them. Reshaping society so this stuff doesn't happen is great, but on an inside-view level we treat crime as sort of an inevitable "someone will do it" force.

badosu 10y ago
> Reshaping society so this stuff doesn't happen is great, but on an inside-view level we treat crime as sort of an inevitable "someone will do it" force. I don't disagree with you, however I think there are some levels to this concept, e.g. how two different locations would differ if it was: a lost wallet, a somewhat clear opportunity for embezzlement, a bike stopped in front of a coffee shop?

pixl97 10y ago

>What kind of stupid person would think that we could have a cooperative, functional society where I can just be careless with my bike, right? The same kind of stupid person that doesn't realize they live in a ghetto called "The Internet".